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[BucsFan4090]

But then again you can probably deduct about 10 ints this year that was caused by Winslow lol.

winslow is not the QB

When winslow gives up/tries to be stupid/bats the ball off his fingers etc it really is his fault. Its a receivers duty that if he can't catch the ball then nobody should. trying to catch it with one hand over the middle of the field usually ends up badly for the offense.

if thats the case then you have to blame williams, benn and winslow altogether.

Well considering ol Joshy Boy refused to throw to either Williams or Benn this year it seems, they get a pass. What do you expect to happen when those guys get thrown to maybe once every 10-15 passing attempts. Freeman was a checkdown/Winslow searching queen this season and Winslow deserves a lot of the blame.

[mrchillwill]

But then again you can probably deduct about 10 ints this year that was caused by Winslow lol.

winslow is not the QB

When winslow gives up/tries to be stupid/bats the ball off his fingers etc it really is his fault. Its a receivers duty that if he can't catch the ball then nobody should. trying to catch it with one hand over the middle of the field usually ends up badly for the offense.

if thats the case then you have to blame williams, benn and winslow altogether.

Well considering ol Joshy Boy refused to throw to either Williams or Benn this year it seems, they get a pass. What do you expect to happen when those guys get thrown to maybe once every 10-15 passing attempts. Freeman was a checkdown/Winslow searching queen this season and Winslow deserves a lot of the blame.

  Wasn't Williams the most targeted on the team?

[Bucfan40]

But then again you can probably deduct about 10 ints this year that was caused by Winslow lol.

winslow is not the QB

When winslow gives up/tries to be stupid/bats the ball off his fingers etc it really is his fault. Its a receivers duty that if he can't catch the ball then nobody should. trying to catch it with one hand over the middle of the field usually ends up badly for the offense.

so he should just let it go? Hard to teach a receiver not to go for the ball. If Winslow is running a 10 yard crossing route and Josh throws it a foot over his head and a foot behind him and it tips off his fingers, that's on the QB.

[alldaway]

But then again you can probably deduct about 10 ints this year that was caused by Winslow lol.

winslow is not the QB

When winslow gives up/tries to be stupid/bats the ball off his fingers etc it really is his fault. Its a receivers duty that if he can't catch the ball then nobody should. trying to catch it with one hand over the middle of the field usually ends up badly for the offense.

if thats the case then you have to blame williams, benn and winslow altogether.

Well considering ol Joshy Boy refused to throw to either Williams or Benn this year it seems, they get a pass. What do you expect to happen when those guys get thrown to maybe once every 10-15 passing attempts. Freeman was a checkdown/Winslow searching queen this season and Winslow deserves a lot of the blame.

Actually that isn't true.

Go look at MW and Benn receptions this year compared to last.

[JDouble]

I just think it's obvious that when a team is in complete disarray like ours was this year, it is ridiculous to judge the QB off that one year. When there is no chemistry, no timing, and nobody open....it gets ugly. A great passing offense is all about receivers getting open and being in a certain spot. When this doesn't happen the QB doesn't know what to expect and has no confidence in the decisions he makes. Think about it, you make your first read on a deep go route and Mike Williams got man handled at the line, so you go to option two which is a deep cross to Benn but he isn't even where he is suppose to be and he's covered, then you check it down to Kregg Lumpkin. Unless of course you are down by 30 points because the entire team is horrible. Then you force it because you have to make something happen. On top of that your pass protection is inconsistant so your getting instant pressure every other down. How is any QB going to be good in that situation?

The Freeman haters will say this is an excuse, but it is the reality. Great offense is about perfect timing. Everyone being on the same page and knowing what the other guy is thinking. Executing to perfection. When the entire offense is confused and unprepared, there is no way in hell a young QB in his second year starting is going to look good. It's fact.

I will say this. He is not superman. He can't be elite on his own. If we don't get him a real QB coach and a real OC and at least one elite offensive weapon...then his chances of being great are slim. Coaching is the difference. The 49ers showed that this year with Alex Smith.

[sharp2325]

A great passing offense is about perfect timing and perfect throws. That's the reality in NFL. Elite QB's make their recievers better by placing the ball in a spot that requires no deviation from the route being run on a consistent basis.

[mrchillwill]

I just think it's obvious that when a team is in complete disarray like ours was this year, it is ridiculous to judge the QB off that one year. When there is no chemistry, no timing, and nobody open....it gets ugly. A great passing offense is all about receivers getting open and being in a certain spot. When this doesn't happen the QB doesn't know what to expect and has no confidence in the decisions he makes. Think about it, you make your first read on a deep go route and Mike Williams got man handled at the line, so you go to option two which is a deep cross to Benn but he isn't even where he is suppose to be and he's covered, then you check it down to Kregg Lumpkin. Unless of course you are down by 30 points because the entire team is horrible. Then you force it because you have to make something happen. On top of that your pass protection is inconsistant so your getting instant pressure every other down. How is any QB going to be good in that situation?

The Freeman haters will say this is an excuse, but it is the reality. Great offense is about perfect timing. Everyone being on the same page and knowing what the other guy is thinking. Executing to perfection. When the entire offense is confused and unprepared, there is no way in hell a young QB in his second year starting is going to look good. It's fact.

Agreed, to many bucs fans are quick to judge after 1 year.

[Detrimental]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

[The Anti-Java]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

[Detrimental]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

Cam Newton was not an elite QB this year. Your kidding right?

[The Anti-Java]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

Cam Newton was not an elite QB this year. Your kidding right?

consistently good?

[Detrimental]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

Cam Newton was not an elite QB this year. Your kidding right?

consistently good?

Consistently good is implying (Manning put up great numbers from year 5 from now)

[The Anti-Java]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

Cam Newton was not an elite QB this year. Your kidding right?

consistently good?

Consistently good is implying (Manning put up great numbers from year 5 from now)

I think the days of giving a QB 5 years to develop, are long gone.

[Detrimental]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

Cam Newton was not an elite QB this year. Your kidding right?

consistently good?

Consistently good is implying (Manning put up great numbers from year 5 from now)

I think the days of giving a QB 5 years to develop, are long gone.

My god. I said 5 years to develop into an ELITE QB. Sure, a QB can play above average in less than 5 years, that's common. Its not that hard to play above average.

[The Anti-Java]

I don't understand why everybody is so obsessed with Freeman being elite right now. Elite QB's take time to develop. They don't just happen over 3 years. It took the best QB prospect (P. Manning year 5 until he started being consistently good)

When we get a consistent threat in the backfield and a better offensive line, by year 5, we should hope for elite QB play. If we don't help him now, he is going to bust and never return to 2010 form.

Cam disagrees.

Cam Newton was not an elite QB this year. Your kidding right?

consistently good?

Consistently good is implying (Manning put up great numbers from year 5 from now)

I think the days of giving a QB 5 years to develop, are long gone.

My god. I said 5 years to develop into an ELITE QB. Sure, a QB can play above average in less than 5 years, that's common. Its not that hard to play above average.

Of course, if a QB doesn't show something, he never would make it to 5 years.  I think Freeman earned another year from his 2010 showing.  But this year is huge for him.  Make or break.