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[TBayXXXVII]

[quote By Pat Yasinskas]
That brings us to Freeman. At the start of this past season, I thought Freeman had a chance to jump over Ryan into the No. 2 spot. That obviously didn’t happen and Freeman tumbled to No. 4 in the division.
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Funny, I was told that I was an idiot because back in September I said that we were 12 months away from having the worst QB in the division.  Ha!  It apparently only took 4 months to prove it.

Though, the fact that Dilfer thinks Freeman could still be elite does make me second guess myself on Freeman's potential.  I put a lot of stock in Dilfer's opinion's, he's a really knowledgeable football personality.

[bucboi813]

sharp my man good reply to the post trade freeman now

[TBayXXXVII]

sharp my man good reply to the post trade freeman now

If by trading him would guarantee getting Griffen, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

[JDouble]

Funny, I was told that I was an idiot

Can't imagine why.

[JasonOfthetower]

I think this season is huge for Freeman. I think the worst thing that happened to the Bucs last season (2010) was going 10-6 with this young team. I have a feeling a lot of these guys thought they had "arrived". Throw in the lockout where they're out of sight/out of mind with the coaches and a lot of bad habits developed on both sides of the ball. Even when the Bucs were 4-2, Freeman wasn't the Freeman we know is in there. Part of that was due to the regression of Mike Williams and Regus Benn struggling to come back from his knee injury. The only guy Freeman truly trusted was Winslow and he forced a lot of bad balls to his tight end.

Olsen's play selection was crap, too. Frankly, 2011 wasn't just on Freeman but the entire Bucs organization - top to bottom...and like I said, throw in the lockout and you have yourself a perfect storm of crappiness. Yes, I know, all 32 teams dealt with it - but I think it hurt the Buccaneers harder than most because of the season they had and the lack of veterans on the team.

I'm not sure where this hatred for FIVE comes from. Maybe Tampa Bay fans just hate their starting quarterback by nature. Maybe it's a Doug Williams-type thing, who knows?

Freeman can be salvaged from the ashes of 2011 - but Schiano's choices for QB coach and OC will go a long way in determining FIVE's future. That's why I'm really nervous right now...I don't want some college guy that never coached a day in the NFL in his life trying to teach Freeman how to be an NFL quarterback. 

[JDouble]

Ditto.

This hire (OC an QB coach) will make or break Freeman's career in Tampa)

[Pewter Pirate]

One word answer without reading the article or comments.

Yes.

The end.

+1

[Pewter Pirate]

sharp my man good reply to the post trade freeman now

If by trading him would guarantee getting Griffen, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

You realize Griffin has never played a single doen in the NFL?

[sharp2325]

Neither did Cam Newton or Andy Dalton. QB's are coming into the league ready to play now. Andrew Luck and RG3 will be great NFL QB's.

[JDouble]

My hope for Freeman is that this year we are like the 2011 49ers. Play good defense and run the ball. When you do this effectively the QB won't put up huge numbers but he has a much easier job. It would be a confidence building year and give everyone a chance to get accustom to the new playbook and build some chemistry/timing.

Obviously our defense won't be as good as the 49ers were this year, but I'm hoping for a big improvement to at least middle of the pack in all categories. The running game is the key. I think if we go after and get Carl Nicks in FA, and draft Richardson or Martin to pair with Blount....we can truly have a dominant run game and follow the 49ers blueprint.

[JDouble]

Neither did Cam Newton or Andy Dalton. QB's are coming into the league ready to play now. Andrew Luck and RG3 will be great NFL QB's.

Freeman was amazing his first year starting as well. Let's let Newton prove he can do it again next year before we all crown him king awesomeness. You see the Pro Bowl? 9 completions out of 27 attempts and 3 interceptions....THAT is what you can expect next year from superman.

[Coburn1]

As many others have posted he's clearly capable of playing at a high level. What really aggravates the heck out of me though is it almost seems like people want Freeman to fail. Or maybe they don't want him to fail, but they're so quick to give up on him and have no concept how far it would set us back. I would personally need a lot of convincing to give up on someone we have a high pick and a lot of time invested into. Are some really so eager to start the process over again?  I would rather hope that he gets back to the top form he showed than to be trying to look for that QB again and spend another couple of rough years trying to develop him. Some posters just seem so happy to think or say that the team is going to be set back for another few years because it sounds awesome to say funny/awesome original thoughts by saying he's garbage after a bad season.

[dalbuc]

I'm not sure where this hatred for FIVE comes from. Maybe Tampa Bay fans just hate their starting quarterback by nature. Maybe it's a Doug Williams-type thing, who knows?

Did you watch him play last year? He was terrible. People hate bad QB's and he was bad.

This blame on the OC gets old. Olsen had a lot of issues but nothing about calling pass play XYZ made Freeman toss INT's like he did. The play at the end of the TEN game was a perfect on that front. There was a guy wide, wide, wide, wide, Tim Tebow could even hit him open and Freeman throws the ball into K2 who is being over/undered. That isn't about Greg Olson - Freeman played poorly all on his own.

[TBayXXXVII]

Funny, I was told that I was an idiot

Can't imagine why.

I know, because more and more often, I'm proven right... go figure.

[TBayXXXVII]

sharp my man good reply to the post trade freeman now

If by trading him would guarantee getting Griffen, I'd do that in a heartbeat.

You realize Griffin has never played a single doen in the NFL?

Yes, but I believe that Griffen will actually be a long term answer at QB.  I don't with Freeman.  I think this is his last year as a starter in the NFL... unless some other team tries to give him another shot.