Trayvon Martin controversy

[CBWx2]

Just to put things into perspective, and to throw out a question.

Translation:
Please allow me to change the topic then reframe the debate thereby creating an analogy that is otherwise unrelated.

Real Translation:
Black on black crime doesn't warrant so much as batting an eyelid by those stirring the pudding.

Again, missing the point entirely. I don't give a rats backside what race the guy is, it should be unacceptable that anyone be allowed to follow and gun down anyone, claim self defense, and have the local law enforcement agency just accept that with no due process. The only reason that this is getting looked into by state and federal law enforcement is because of those "pudding stirrers" you claim are only getting involved for political purposes.

You want to use this as an opportunity to attack the civil rights crowd, so be it. Just keep in mind, you are guilty of the exact same thing you are claiming that they are in doing so, which is choosing to use this as an opportunity to get on your proverbial soapbox and further your own political agenda.

[Durango 95]

Just to put things into perspective, and to throw out a question.

Translation:
Please allow me to change the topic then reframe the debate thereby creating an analogy that is otherwise unrelated.

Real Translation:
Black on black crime doesn't warrant so much as batting an eyelid by those stirring the pudding.

Okay, so now you have finally admitted that you have an agenda. Why not start a thread on black on black crime.

[spartan]

It's related, and legitimate IMO. And considering how some threads go off the reservation; mine was a minor deviation.

You want to use this as an opportunity to attack the civil rights crowd.

Yes and no, not per se. It is also related to my 'deviation.' I think there are at the very least grounds to look further into this incident. Yet I feel that trying to politicize it and make it into a racial incident, which I do not think it is, is going to take away from the public support and sympathy. That in turn could detract from the possibility of true justice being served.

[CBWx2]

It's related, and legitimate IMO. And considering how some threads go off the reservation; mine was a minor deviation.

You want to use this as an opportunity to attack the civil rights crowd.

Yes and no, not per se. It is also related to my 'deviation.' I think there are at the very least grounds to look further into this incident. Yet I feel that trying to politicize it and make it into a racial incident, which I do not think it is, is going to take away from the public support and sympathy. That in turn could detract from the possibility of true justice being served.

Well it's not as though they are pulling the racial factor from their butts.

[Durango 95]

It's related, and legitimate IMO. And considering how some threads go off the reservation; mine was a minor deviation.

You want to use this as an opportunity to attack the civil rights crowd.

Yes and no, not per se. It is also related to my 'deviation.' I think there are at the very least grounds to look further into this incident. Yet I feel that trying to politicize it and make it into a racial incident, which I do not think it is, is going to take away from the public support and sympathy. That in turn could detract from the possibility of true justice being served.

How much did it make your ass pucker when you came up w/ that? On the bright side I am thrilled to see you don't  think it should a be racial incident or anything.
makin' progress

[spartan]

Well it's not as though they are pulling the racial factor from their butts.

I have heard that a dozen or so times, and whatever it is he said started with a P.

[3rd String Kicker]

Amazing how one word could change the dynamics of this entire case. (From local to federal)

[CBWx2]

Well it's not as though they are pulling the racial factor from their butts.

I have heard that a dozen or so times, and whatever it is he said started with a P.

**CENSORED**ing poon? Plausible, I suppose. Maybe in the middle of the chase he suddenly realized he was gay, and was expressing his hate for vagina's. Makes much more sense than the other word. The one that starts with a "c", commonly used as a slur for people who share certain characteristics of the person he was chasing.

 

[Durango 95]

Maybe in the middle of the chase he suddenly realized he was gay, and was expressing his hate for vagina's.

 

Dude, THAT is hilarious I can hardly breath!

[CBWx2]

Maybe in the middle of the chase he suddenly realized he was gay, and was expressing his hate for vagina's.

 

Dude, THAT is hilarious I can hardly breath!

Thank you, my good man!

[spartan]

I am glad you guys feel good about yourselves.

In the interests of objectivity I attended the rally tonight and listened to EVERYTHING that was said. I left feeling substantiated that this has turned into a political issue rather than a justice issue. That is and has been my only point.

[Durango 95]

There are two primary issues. The first involves the "Stand Your Ground" law and what it reads and how it is being applied. The second is Zimmerman's state of mind before the shooting.

Just for the record, Spartan.  You are the one that brought up "race and politics"

[CBWx2]

I am glad you guys feel good about yourselves.

In the interests of objectivity I attended the rally tonight and listened to EVERYTHING that was said. I left feeling substantiated that this has turned into a political issue rather than a justice issue. That is and has been my only point.

You seem to be overly concerned about those who you feel are politicizing the issue, so much so, that you are even trying to rationalize Zimmerman's actions in an effort to discredit their position. It just seems to me as though you have a vested interest in Zimmerman not being a racist, because if he is, your point becomes less valid. In your efforts to call into question the purity of their position, it calls into question the purity of your own. That's my point.

[VinBucFan]

and have the local law enforcement agency just accept that with no due process.

You mis-typed right? I mean you're not suggesting the neighborhood watch guys rights were violated, are you?

[dalbuc]

There are two primary issues. The first involves the "Stand Your Ground" law and what it reads and how it is being applied. The second is Zimmerman's state of mind before the shooting.

Just for the record, Spartan.  You are the one that brought up "race and politics"

There is clearly a racial element in this. There shouldn't be but there is or they'd not be dredging up the civil rights violation stuff with the Feds.

As you said, the stand your ground law and what can be proved appear to be the biggest issue in terms of a state prosecution. If the statute doesn't have come sort of "you caused ther confrontation" language then even though Zimmerman chased the kid down and basically started the fight under Florida law he might have the right to end it...even with deadly force.

As to his state of mind, everything I read, his actions and words say that Zimmerman was a cop wannabe who was likely looking for a chance to pull the trigger on someone.