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Quote from: wreck ship on April 01, 2012, 08:47:55 PMBack on topic.If the holy ghost impregnated Mary then Jesus is not of the lineage of David and Solomon.If Joseph impregnated Mary (which is contrary to the scriptures) then he his of the lineage of David and Solomon.Based on deductive reasoning, he is not God anymore than Ghandi or MLK were Gods. According to scripture and the teachings of Jesus, You are all Gods with infinte potential.Holy Spirit is God's active force, thus a part of God Jehova.Your logic is completely flawed.Proof is in the lineage. Look it up.From Abraham to Jesus - Matt 1:1-16 (v 6 David & Solomon) then read v 17-18Jesus to God - Luke 3:23-38Both the natural ancestral & legal right has been established. Jesus is ruling as King, Mediator & Messiah.Quote “This study of the text in detail leads us in this way to admit—1. That the genealogical register of Luke is that of Heli, the grandfather of Jesus; 2. That, this affiliation of Jesus by Heli being expressly opposed to His affiliation by Joseph, the document which he has preserved for us can be nothing else in his view than the genealogy of Jesus through Mary. But why does not Luke name Mary, and why pass immediately from Jesus to His grandfather? Ancient sentiment did not comport with the mention of the mother as the genealogical link. Among the Greeks a man was the son of his father, not of his mother; and among the Jews the adage was: ‘Genus matris non vocatur genus [“The descendant of the mother is not called (her) descendant”]’ (‘Baba bathra,’ 110, a).” - Frederic Louis Godet
Back on topic.If the holy ghost impregnated Mary then Jesus is not of the lineage of David and Solomon.If Joseph impregnated Mary (which is contrary to the scriptures) then he his of the lineage of David and Solomon.Based on deductive reasoning, he is not God anymore than Ghandi or MLK were Gods. According to scripture and the teachings of Jesus, You are all Gods with infinte potential.
“This study of the text in detail leads us in this way to admit—1. That the genealogical register of Luke is that of Heli, the grandfather of Jesus; 2. That, this affiliation of Jesus by Heli being expressly opposed to His affiliation by Joseph, the document which he has preserved for us can be nothing else in his view than the genealogy of Jesus through Mary. But why does not Luke name Mary, and why pass immediately from Jesus to His grandfather? Ancient sentiment did not comport with the mention of the mother as the genealogical link. Among the Greeks a man was the son of his father, not of his mother; and among the Jews the adage was: ‘Genus matris non vocatur genus [“The descendant of the mother is not called (her) descendant”]’ (‘Baba bathra,’ 110, a).” - Frederic Louis Godet
Quote from: mtnman on April 02, 2012, 01:27:29 PMQuote from: wreck ship on April 01, 2012, 08:47:55 PMBack on topic.If the holy ghost impregnated Mary then Jesus is not of the lineage of David and Solomon.If Joseph impregnated Mary (which is contrary to the scriptures) then he his of the lineage of David and Solomon.Based on deductive reasoning, he is not God anymore than Ghandi or MLK were Gods. According to scripture and the teachings of Jesus, You are all Gods with infinte potential.Holy Spirit is God's active force, thus a part of God Jehova.Your logic is completely flawed.Proof is in the lineage. Look it up.From Abraham to Jesus - Matt 1:1-16 (v 6 David & Solomon) then read v 17-18Jesus to God - Luke 3:23-38Both the natural ancestral & legal right has been established. Jesus is ruling as King, Mediator & Messiah.Quote “This study of the text in detail leads us in this way to admit—1. That the genealogical register of Luke is that of Heli, the grandfather of Jesus; 2. That, this affiliation of Jesus by Heli being expressly opposed to His affiliation by Joseph, the document which he has preserved for us can be nothing else in his view than the genealogy of Jesus through Mary. But why does not Luke name Mary, and why pass immediately from Jesus to His grandfather? Ancient sentiment did not comport with the mention of the mother as the genealogical link. Among the Greeks a man was the son of his father, not of his mother; and among the Jews the adage was: ‘Genus matris non vocatur genus [“The descendant of the mother is not called (her) descendant”]’ (‘Baba bathra,’ 110, a).” - Frederic Louis Godet My logic is flawed?
If the holy ghost impregnated Mary then Jesus is not of the lineage of David and Solomon.If Joseph impregnated Mary (which is contrary to the scriptures) then he his of the lineage of David and Solomon.Based on deductive reasoning, he is not God anymore than Ghandi or MLK were Gods. According to scripture and the teachings of Jesus, You are all Gods with infinte potential.
Quote from: wreck ship on April 02, 2012, 03:18:36 PMQuote from: mtnman on April 02, 2012, 01:27:29 PMQuote from: wreck ship on April 01, 2012, 08:47:55 PMBack on topic.If the holy ghost impregnated Mary then Jesus is not of the lineage of David and Solomon.If Joseph impregnated Mary (which is contrary to the scriptures) then he his of the lineage of David and Solomon.Based on deductive reasoning, he is not God anymore than Ghandi or MLK were Gods. According to scripture and the teachings of Jesus, You are all Gods with infinte potential.Holy Spirit is God's active force, thus a part of God Jehova.Your logic is completely flawed.Proof is in the lineage. Look it up.From Abraham to Jesus - Matt 1:1-16 (v 6 David & Solomon) then read v 17-18Jesus to God - Luke 3:23-38Both the natural ancestral & legal right has been established. Jesus is ruling as King, Mediator & Messiah.Quote “This study of the text in detail leads us in this way to admit—1. That the genealogical register of Luke is that of Heli, the grandfather of Jesus; 2. That, this affiliation of Jesus by Heli being expressly opposed to His affiliation by Joseph, the document which he has preserved for us can be nothing else in his view than the genealogy of Jesus through Mary. But why does not Luke name Mary, and why pass immediately from Jesus to His grandfather? Ancient sentiment did not comport with the mention of the mother as the genealogical link. Among the Greeks a man was the son of his father, not of his mother; and among the Jews the adage was: ‘Genus matris non vocatur genus [“The descendant of the mother is not called (her) descendant”]’ (‘Baba bathra,’ 110, a).” - Frederic Louis Godet My logic is flawed?without question
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It's common in early Greek mythology for pregnancy to be caused by the wind. Societies at that time were primarily matriarchal. Men had no parental rights (or obligations). Lineage was through ultimogeniture instead of primogeniture.Later, the snake would become associated with sexuality and pregnancy.