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#30 : April 03, 2012, 10:07:32 PM

Just out of curiosity, to those who think this analysis is spot on, did you actually read the study quoted in the article, or did you simply read the article? Because the article uses analysis from the study to draw a conclusion that the reason rabid partisanship exists is because of the findings of this study, when the study itself doesn't even assert this. The study is that of differing ideological groups, and it expressly differentiates between ideology and partisanship. In fact, the study says this about partisans:

"More research is needed to further delineate the moral stereotypes of political partisans, for instance to see if moral stereotypes about members of political parties mirror those about ideological groups, both in two-party political systems like the U.S. and in multiparty systems like Italy."

The author's framing the results of this study to make an argument that the study doesn't actually support, nor does the study ever claim to. I would also argue that putting the onus of rabid partisan discourse solely on the liberal's lack of understanding of the conservative mindset is actually pretty partisan, in and of itself. Placing sole blame on the other side is rarely ever going to be construed as non-partisan.
: April 03, 2012, 10:09:45 PM CBWx2


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#31 : April 04, 2012, 10:46:21 PM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...

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#32 : April 04, 2012, 11:50:53 PM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...


as long as he could find a link

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#33 : April 05, 2012, 12:07:23 AM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...

What was the point of creating this thread if it wasn't to have a discussion on it? I have an idea. I'm going to create a thread saying that conservatives are solely to blame for all the partisan bickering, and when a conservative argues against it, I'm going to accuse them of just wanting to start a fight.


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#34 : April 05, 2012, 12:08:13 AM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...


as long as he could find a link

You should try finding links sometimes instead of always asking other people to find them for you.


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#35 : April 05, 2012, 12:16:05 AM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...


as long as he could find a link

You should try finding links sometimes instead of always asking other people to find them for you.

Maybe I could just explain your links to you.  full-time job   ;)

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#36 : April 05, 2012, 12:20:15 AM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...


as long as he could find a link

You should try finding links sometimes instead of always asking other people to find them for you.

Maybe I could just explain your links to you.  full-time job   ;)

That would require you to be able to actually correctly comprehend and interpret someone else's post. Let's be honest, not one of your bigger strengths.


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#37 : April 05, 2012, 12:30:54 AM

The sun doesn't rise in the East.




The Earth rotates.
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#38 : April 05, 2012, 07:50:10 AM

CBW - you would argue about the sun rising in the east...

What was the point of creating this thread if it wasn't to have a discussion on it? I have an idea. I'm going to create a thread saying that conservatives are solely to blame for all the partisan bickering, and when a conservative argues against it, I'm going to accuse them of just wanting to start a fight.
The point is to have a discussion, and if there is a huge issue with underlying information that is the basis of one's position.  It would be my impression sometimes the need to ... examine what folks are saying overwhelms the discussion unnecessarily.  Naturally, unlike so many here, I could be wrong.  And right or wrong I apologize for bringing this thought up as others seem to have made my thought more then I intended. 

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#39 : April 06, 2012, 08:51:33 PM

Take a look at this, and the comments:

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/06/11053986-yep-that-happened-a-tribute-to-the-2012-republican-primary?threadId=3388624&commentId=64328525#c64328525

Now tell me that article was not wrong. I say article because I have only read half the report. It also shows the NBC have clearly abandoned any pretense of journalistic integrity and objectivity.
: April 06, 2012, 08:53:36 PM spartan

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#40 : April 06, 2012, 09:20:29 PM

Take a look at this, and the comments:

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/06/11053986-yep-that-happened-a-tribute-to-the-2012-republican-primary?threadId=3388624&commentId=64328525#c64328525

Now tell me that article was not wrong. I say article because I have only read half the report. It also shows the NBC have clearly abandoned any pretense of journalistic integrity and objectivity.

It's not really an article but a blog on msnbc.com ... Hasn't MSNBC been the left equivalent of Fox News for quite awhile now?

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#41 : April 06, 2012, 11:12:16 PM

Take a look at this, and the comments:

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/06/11053986-yep-that-happened-a-tribute-to-the-2012-republican-primary?threadId=3388624&commentId=64328525#c64328525

Now tell me that article was not wrong. I say article because I have only read half the report. It also shows the NBC have clearly abandoned any pretense of journalistic integrity and objectivity.

It's not really an article but a blog on msnbc.com ... Hasn't MSNBC been the left equivalent of Fox News for quite awhile now?

I am thinking not as it is linked from the main page, mentions nothing about being a blog; or an opinion piece for that matter.

Now if you want to ascertain that the whole msnbc organization is one big blog/opinion piece, you might have a point :)

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#42 : April 07, 2012, 12:21:34 AM

Take a look at this, and the comments:

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/06/11053986-yep-that-happened-a-tribute-to-the-2012-republican-primary?threadId=3388624&commentId=64328525#c64328525

Now tell me that article was not wrong. I say article because I have only read half the report. It also shows the NBC have clearly abandoned any pretense of journalistic integrity and objectivity.

It's not really an article but a blog on msnbc.com ... Hasn't MSNBC been the left equivalent of Fox News for quite awhile now?

I am thinking not as it is linked from the main page, mentions nothing about being a blog; or an opinion piece for that matter.

The Home button on that page takes you to MSNBC.com.... Right below where it reads "NBC POLITICS on msnbc.com" you'll see this: ↓ About this blog .... and at the bottom of the page you'll see a list labelled Other blogs ..... If it walks like a duck...  8)




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Now if you want to ascertain that the whole msnbc organization is one big blog/opinion piece, you might have a point :)

That would be a fall back position ...  ;)

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#43 : April 07, 2012, 09:42:05 PM

I am a financial moderate and social liberal and I perfectly understand the statements and values of conservatives of various stripes....I understand that the conservatives don't want women to have equal pay ( Gov of Wisconsin ) access to contraceptives for health and birth control ( Virginia et al )  against abortion but also against help for single mothers who keep their children by suggesting they keep the dime squeezed between their legs.  Women should defer to their husbands.  Climate change is a myth ( even tho the ice caps on both poles are metling at alarming rates as seen by comparing satellite pictures from year to year ).  Ecology and concern for pure water ( we are not going to have much water anyhow one of these days, pure or toxic )  are for airy fairy tree huggers not people who are concerned for the availability of food in coming centries, sustainable farming etc.    As for oil, we should just dig dig dig. AMD DRILL  No matter is it will not affect our gas prices for about a decade or so down the road.   Shun investing in green energy resources and research much needed to make us independent of oil so we don't have to kiss ass to Middle Eastern tyrants the way we've been doing for the last 100 years.  Conservatives think that universal healthcare is socialism but many are living well on their social security benefits I notice.  How many Repblicans have opted out of Social Security.    Conservatives say if you don't make enuf to afford health care, tough cookies.....even tho medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy. 

Conservatives say that capitalism is king and pure capitalism without restraints is what's best for america.   However according to the neutral think tank Cato Institute the current financial crisis was instigated by hedge fund and private captial firms ( like Rommney's ) which buy a company by acquiring highly leveraged debt which they then force the company to put on its books which in turn forces them to cut labor, services etc.  If the company survives the debt that okay but they don't give a damn about the company, the product or the labor force because they've already raided the coffers and paid themselves off.  Anything after that is gravy....think Manchester United.
They look for good companies with little to no debt and a good cash flow that may eventually pay off their venture.

Capitalism without restraint simply breeds greed.  The international organizations that exist and will exist in the future will run the world not policiticans.  And they will run it for a long time wtihout any impunity until the world catches on. Think Nigeria where we drill for oil and let it contaminate their land and allow Nigerian officials to steal the money with none of it going to the people.  Hey that's good.  Then there will be another workers revolution.  Hopefully without blood.  In fact, it is my belief that we will have a revolution of some sort in this country within the next 20 years if we continue along this course which I believe we will.  It may be soft or hard,  I'd have a Plan B handy if I were you.

Hyperpartanship occurs because there is more commitment to ideologies than reason and compromise under the mistaken assumption that there are absolute truths that are inarguable.  In fact the concept of absolute truth is a myth.  It may be used as an ideal to which good men and women may aim for in their life to improve themselves.  But there IS NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH including this statement.  The entire field of quantuum physics is proof positive that there are not ab\solutes as for example the existence of alternate parallel realities.  If you are interested in investigating this for yourself.  Have at it.  There are not absolute truths.  Reality.  Meaning our life on the physical planet is messy, marred and serves us a challenge to improve ourselves if one has such an incliniation.  Now the Ku Klux Klan thought its ideas were a way to improve their lives so you can see that depending on the set of values you choose to annoit as Absolute Truth....there lies a vast landscape of choices across many different belief systems.  Sharia law.  Like that?   Conservative Muslims do.  They think it is the way.   Conservative Baptists and Jews don't work on the Sabbath.  They doin't play games, dance, or do anything except go to services and eat a lot!  ( pretty good grub too for both religions.) They have strong ideas about how the rest of us should live including ignoring the separation of Church and State.   There was a reason that our founding fathers put those provisions in our constituion.  Because even in the late 1700s it didn't take a genius to see that religion was a source of civil unrest every where.  Those people came here for religious freedom to worship as they choose not to make everyone else live by THEIR rules as many were forced to in England and Europe.  Hey, if you don't want an abortion or to use contraceptives then don't.  Just leave me and mine alone to But don't siphon my tax dollars for charter schools that will most likely fail for your kids.  Quit trying to destroy americas public school.

So both the conservatives and liberals at each end of the continuum think they are RIGHT.   Neither extreme care one whit about governing this country for the greater good.  They only spend time raising money for re election the day after they are elected and looking good and pious in print by demanding their way or the highway.   No one is interested in what is possible and best.  Both parties can rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.  Ujntil we elecdt people who want this country to move ahead ( light rail would be nice ) and stop jockeying for re=election pretending that they care about women, children ( not with words but with active support and programs ) and the biggest joke of all is anyone caring about education/  The first thing cut is education funds.  Fl spends less than Mississippi per student on education, not that money alone means quality teaching.

Another thread on Pirates Cove is titled why the love for the military?  Excuse me.   That is just another exercise in public posturing.  Have you heard about how wounded warriors are treated?   When you do get your appointment it takes a whole day of waiting to see your Dr,. who may or may not have your records, may or may not give you the care you need either through ignorance or overwork.  I have personal family history to verify that not only for my nephew but for others llike him who need lifetime care.

I have no recommendations or comments about how life on this here prairie plays out day to day...what we are here for...and what its all about.  You decide for yourself how you feel and what flag you are going to wave...but don't tell me I don't understand conservatives because I do.  And so do all my friends.  And the conservative women I know and argue and discuss things with passionately are leaving the Republican Party in droves.  Most are declaring themselves Independents because they want no part of a group of men who want to regulate our vaginas.....one need go no further than that to understand conservatives.....

justice Holmes said, " When the government does something for you, that's progressive.  When someone else benefits its called socialism."   
: April 07, 2012, 09:59:22 PM Ladyfan


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#44 : April 07, 2012, 10:31:53 PM

Hyperpartanship occurs because there is more commitment to ideologies than reason and compromise under the mistaken assumption that there are absolute truths that are inarguable.  In fact the concept of absolute truth is a myth.
And there you have it boys.

Leave it to a woman to set you **CENSORED**'s straight. Even though you have to dig through hours of "wtf?" just to get to it.

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