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Quote from: BucFanOcala31 on April 12, 2012, 05:36:16 AMQuote from: yuccaneers on April 12, 2012, 04:05:16 AMQuote from: tog on April 12, 2012, 02:29:02 AMWhy all the vitriol? I like the article (worst article ever might have been that "best defensive line article), its approaching the Nicks signing looking for concerns - playing devil's advocate is very, very useful. Was it a good signing? Probably. But there is a very real possibility that Nicks ends up being a bad signing. Nicks does eat up a large part of our cap space; we do have a huge amount committed to our O-line and we may not see the dividends that we would with signing Landry, or Carr, or trading for Demeco Ryans, or using that money for FAs next year, or (fill in blank); and free agent history is replete with "sure things" taking the money and sucking - in fact I would argue that human nature tends toward it.And sure, hate is too strong a word but I think there are legitimate concerns with any big FA signing including Nicks (and Vjax). At this point it appears to be a great signing but in two years we could be looking back on this as a huge bungle. On the other end of the spectrum is the way the team has structured all the contracts of late. First is that while the total dollar amount of these deals might appear that the team has over spent, it could be argued that they were fair market values deals with the exception of possibly Black, Wright and Trueblood over the past two seasons. But examining them further reveals that there in fact structured in such a way that the team can release the player after two years and incur no penalties. For the player to continue to receive large annual salaries their performance from year to year must match their price tag. Meaning essentially the team has gone to a performance for pay type of scaling, which will allow the team to remain out of cap trouble. For example if Black doesn't rebound with quality coaching this season, the team cuts him and recoups $5 million in cap space for 2013 with no other ramifications, other than identifying to themselves Black was not what they envisioned and they need to do a better job of scouting. From a finical standpoint it will always allow the team to be players in free agency and there never should be a time if a player that's drafted and developed by the Bucs who needs top be resigned, wont. With the way the team is now structuring their contracts with players.The other fact not being discussed is Schiano's vision of wanting to become a physically dominant down hill running team that takes shots down the field and the fact that the team just redistributed where the monies are being spent. For example last season it was spent at center and right guard for the most part on the interior of the line. This season the money is being spent on left guard and right guard with center being the low position. I respect your opinion but disagree with your statement about center..I myself consider Zutte an instant upgrade over Faine..Zute is faster,stronger and seems like a smart guy...Time will tell.With regards to Zuttah and Faine - when I stated low position being center in 2012, it's not that I think Faine is/was Superior to Zuttah, I just reference the money being paid to Zuttah this year at center compared to what the team paid Faine to man the center position last season. Basically the team paid Zuttah, Faine and Joseph roughly $16 million in 2011 to play LG, C, and RG: With the LG making the lest amount of the three positions. Compared to what the team is paying Nicks, Zuttah and Joseph which is roughly $25 million in 2012 to play LG, C, RG in 2012: With C being the lowest paid of the three positions. Meaning they might feel that spending more at LG in 2012 then spending at center was a wiser option based on what they want to accomplish in 2012 as an offense.
Quote from: yuccaneers on April 12, 2012, 04:05:16 AMQuote from: tog on April 12, 2012, 02:29:02 AMWhy all the vitriol? I like the article (worst article ever might have been that "best defensive line article), its approaching the Nicks signing looking for concerns - playing devil's advocate is very, very useful. Was it a good signing? Probably. But there is a very real possibility that Nicks ends up being a bad signing. Nicks does eat up a large part of our cap space; we do have a huge amount committed to our O-line and we may not see the dividends that we would with signing Landry, or Carr, or trading for Demeco Ryans, or using that money for FAs next year, or (fill in blank); and free agent history is replete with "sure things" taking the money and sucking - in fact I would argue that human nature tends toward it.And sure, hate is too strong a word but I think there are legitimate concerns with any big FA signing including Nicks (and Vjax). At this point it appears to be a great signing but in two years we could be looking back on this as a huge bungle. On the other end of the spectrum is the way the team has structured all the contracts of late. First is that while the total dollar amount of these deals might appear that the team has over spent, it could be argued that they were fair market values deals with the exception of possibly Black, Wright and Trueblood over the past two seasons. But examining them further reveals that there in fact structured in such a way that the team can release the player after two years and incur no penalties. For the player to continue to receive large annual salaries their performance from year to year must match their price tag. Meaning essentially the team has gone to a performance for pay type of scaling, which will allow the team to remain out of cap trouble. For example if Black doesn't rebound with quality coaching this season, the team cuts him and recoups $5 million in cap space for 2013 with no other ramifications, other than identifying to themselves Black was not what they envisioned and they need to do a better job of scouting. From a finical standpoint it will always allow the team to be players in free agency and there never should be a time if a player that's drafted and developed by the Bucs who needs top be resigned, wont. With the way the team is now structuring their contracts with players.The other fact not being discussed is Schiano's vision of wanting to become a physically dominant down hill running team that takes shots down the field and the fact that the team just redistributed where the monies are being spent. For example last season it was spent at center and right guard for the most part on the interior of the line. This season the money is being spent on left guard and right guard with center being the low position. I respect your opinion but disagree with your statement about center..I myself consider Zutte an instant upgrade over Faine..Zute is faster,stronger and seems like a smart guy...Time will tell.
Quote from: tog on April 12, 2012, 02:29:02 AMWhy all the vitriol? I like the article (worst article ever might have been that "best defensive line article), its approaching the Nicks signing looking for concerns - playing devil's advocate is very, very useful. Was it a good signing? Probably. But there is a very real possibility that Nicks ends up being a bad signing. Nicks does eat up a large part of our cap space; we do have a huge amount committed to our O-line and we may not see the dividends that we would with signing Landry, or Carr, or trading for Demeco Ryans, or using that money for FAs next year, or (fill in blank); and free agent history is replete with "sure things" taking the money and sucking - in fact I would argue that human nature tends toward it.And sure, hate is too strong a word but I think there are legitimate concerns with any big FA signing including Nicks (and Vjax). At this point it appears to be a great signing but in two years we could be looking back on this as a huge bungle. On the other end of the spectrum is the way the team has structured all the contracts of late. First is that while the total dollar amount of these deals might appear that the team has over spent, it could be argued that they were fair market values deals with the exception of possibly Black, Wright and Trueblood over the past two seasons. But examining them further reveals that there in fact structured in such a way that the team can release the player after two years and incur no penalties. For the player to continue to receive large annual salaries their performance from year to year must match their price tag. Meaning essentially the team has gone to a performance for pay type of scaling, which will allow the team to remain out of cap trouble. For example if Black doesn't rebound with quality coaching this season, the team cuts him and recoups $5 million in cap space for 2013 with no other ramifications, other than identifying to themselves Black was not what they envisioned and they need to do a better job of scouting. From a finical standpoint it will always allow the team to be players in free agency and there never should be a time if a player that's drafted and developed by the Bucs who needs top be resigned, wont. With the way the team is now structuring their contracts with players.The other fact not being discussed is Schiano's vision of wanting to become a physically dominant down hill running team that takes shots down the field and the fact that the team just redistributed where the monies are being spent. For example last season it was spent at center and right guard for the most part on the interior of the line. This season the money is being spent on left guard and right guard with center being the low position.
Why all the vitriol? I like the article (worst article ever might have been that "best defensive line article), its approaching the Nicks signing looking for concerns - playing devil's advocate is very, very useful. Was it a good signing? Probably. But there is a very real possibility that Nicks ends up being a bad signing. Nicks does eat up a large part of our cap space; we do have a huge amount committed to our O-line and we may not see the dividends that we would with signing Landry, or Carr, or trading for Demeco Ryans, or using that money for FAs next year, or (fill in blank); and free agent history is replete with "sure things" taking the money and sucking - in fact I would argue that human nature tends toward it.And sure, hate is too strong a word but I think there are legitimate concerns with any big FA signing including Nicks (and Vjax). At this point it appears to be a great signing but in two years we could be looking back on this as a huge bungle.
Quote from: champkind on April 12, 2012, 09:19:54 AMBut michael135468451332113214 only posts the best stuff from around the web! This must be a quality, relevant article written by an informed, balanced source!Still that time of the month I see. What do you figure? Another couple days and you will be back to normal? My wife uses Midol, give it a try, it may help.
Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.