I just wanted to point out Boid, that you are picking and choosing a bit. You decide that Trent is not the next AP and that the whole idea can be dismissed from the conversation because you say so, even though many well respected analyst and scouts are saying it....but when I say the difference between Martin and Richardson is not so "huuuuge", you say I'm wrong and it isn't even arguable because the analysts and scouts all agree Trent is way better. You can't have it both ways bro. The analysts/scouts are either 100% right or they aren't. You can't pick and choose when they are right determined by whether they agree with your opinion.
There are many scouts.
Which ones are 100 pecent right?
You pick and choose what you want based on what you observe.
How TR looks like AD is beyond me. They are not comparable runners. AD has a diffferent, more angular lean thn TR does. He is faster, and taller, and leaner.
TR is more like Frank Gore.
Not once did I say he wasn't a beast of a RB. But in my opinion, he resembles a Frank Gore type back. A very good back.
Annd the seperation between the two is huuuge (Martin and TR) because...Martin is a very late to early second round RB, in terms of value.
Now if you were to pick up Martin at say, 23rd pick in RD1, what is the draft chart point difference between the two prospects? And if he slides into round 2, the difference is indeed huuuge. Fact is, Doug Martin is not even close to TR in terms of draft value.
I have always said nobody knows who is the sure fire bets are. Nobody does. Hell, TR could bust (I doubt it, but it could happen).
Teh prospective difference between Martin and TR, eve based on SCOUT ananlysis, is indeed massive. Not one person here can dispute that.
Now if we are talking about prognostication, that is a different story, because Martin may indeed be a better running back. I doubt it, but he very well could be. THAT is the difference. You are arguing about what you perceive to be Martins future, and I am not. I have said I wanted Martin, but the BUcs could potentially nab him with round2 pick. That is a huuuge difference in perceived abilities, based on the draft itself, not by analysts.
And I don't even listen to Doloris, because the dude is flat out Trentersexual. His comments are based soley in groin lust.
Detis mad because I punched holes in his arguments all night. And it was easy, but he flat out refuses to see the ligh about the original debate. He is trying toturn this into a Fred Jackson argument, and even then, he still failed. It isn't about Fred jackson at all...it is about draft value and ficing the defense, and realizing that Blount is a beast. He is. Det says Blount is "unimpressive". He said he was not impressed, and that Blount can only catch wide open passes that his grandmother (who is not a zombie, but is in a wheelchair) could catch. I say, there aren't running backs whp run stop and goes, and line up in the slot, and can be on their own island on the outside...that is what he says mnakes a RB "complete". That is his basic tenet of arguing. And it is flawed beyond reason. Fred Jackson caught a pass int he slot, I described it, he said I desvribed it AFTER, he was wrong, he says Fred caches passes in teh slot ALL THE TIME,he doesn't. He is wrong. Because youtube has failed to provide him with all of Fred Jacksons slot receptions, he is stuck noodling around and fishing for Jacksons slot receptions...pfff again.
TR isn't a slot receiver. Could he do it in the RZ? Sure. A lot of backs can. Is that going to be Schianos style? Nope. Is that going to be Sully's style? Nope. He mad. He lost. Not once did he understand my point of view.
I said grab the best defenders available, it seems as if the talent for stud prospective corners drops exponentially as the draft wears on...but RBs however (and this is where JDub, you and I agree) can be found deeper down the ladder. That is just honest objective fact. It is harder to find great dbacks on that same rung though. He just doesn't get it, and his answer to see if Tat was correct or not was "Nah."
He mad, he lost.
Dub,m you and I are arguing semantics, or perception of a players worth in the draft. Not as an actual RB...just his names value is all. I truly want Martin, but the I truly want David more.
Claiborne/David fixes, or attempts to, fix the concern (defense).
