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#30 : April 20, 2012, 09:56:51 AM

I'll go by decade:

1970's:  '79
1980's:  not many wrong answers, but I'll go with '82
1990's:  tough call, but I'll take '91
2000's:  '05 - nothing to show for 5 picks in the first 107 selections and Aaron Rodgers is winning a Superbowl, MVP, and Superbowl MVP.

Williams and Ruud.  Not horrible

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#31 : April 20, 2012, 10:03:13 AM

Id say 2001, 04, or 07.

01 was Kenyatta
04 was clayton
07 was Gaines

We have to have the worst drafts over the last 12 years.

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#32 : April 20, 2012, 10:08:01 AM

2007 was a disaster when you consider the picks we had

1st (4)- Adams
2nd (35)- Sears
2nd (64)- Piscitelli
3rd (68)- Black
4th (106)- Jackson
5th (141)- Greg Peterson
6th (182)- Hayward
7th (214)- Chris Denman
7th (245)- Marcus Hamilton

That draft went about as well as Quincy's tackling last year - a total miss.

Just tortured myself and looked up who they could have taken instead
4. Revis
35. Kalil
64. Yanda
68. Ray McDonald
106. Soliai
141. Celek
182. Bishop
214. Snelling
254. Bradshaw

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#33 : April 20, 2012, 10:26:06 AM

Man, I was pretty excited about the 2010 draft, but it's looking like more and more 2005 and 2007 potential where we had a lot of picks and a lot of players play early only to flame out in short order.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#34 : April 20, 2012, 10:57:54 AM

Williams and Ruud.  Not horrible

Sure, a guy w/o a team and another guy bouncing around on one-year deals.  When you factor in the enormous opportunity costs of those picks, it's pretty horrible.


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#35 : April 20, 2012, 12:37:29 PM


By the same token, you can't claim Winslow has helped the Bucs even tho' he wasn't a draft pick and then be comparing to other drafts in which the Bucs didn't have early round picks as was noted earlier in the thread. Based on players actually picked and not picks traded away, the '09 draft was a dud.

Well a pick creates value. Rather it creates it via trade or via a selection shouldn't seem to matter. Trading for a coach gets a lot more problematic but assuming you feel 2 1s and 2 2s is worth a super bowl then those might be two of the best drafts ever for example.

My point was more in the "you can't have it both ways" vein. I agree.

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#36 : April 20, 2012, 01:00:55 PM

2007 was a disaster when you consider the picks we had

1st (4)- Adams
2nd (35)- Sears
2nd (64)- Piscitelli
3rd (68)- Black
4th (106)- Jackson
5th (141)- Greg Peterson
6th (182)- Hayward
7th (214)- Chris Denman
7th (245)- Marcus Hamilton

That draft went about as well as Quincy's tackling last year - a total miss.

Just tortured myself and looked up who they could have taken instead
4. Revis
35. Kalil
64. Yanda
68. Ray McDonald
106. Soliai
141. Celek
182. Bishop
214. Snelling
254. Bradshaw

 :'(
Wow. I understand you can't hit on them all but that's just brutal.

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#37 : April 20, 2012, 09:07:38 PM

I'll go by decade:

1970's:  '79
1980's:  not many wrong answers, but I'll go with '82
1990's:  tough call, but I'll take '91
2000's:  '05 - nothing to show for 5 picks in the first 107 selections and Aaron Rodgers is winning a Superbowl, MVP, and Superbowl MVP.

Williams and Ruud.  Not horrible



Not great either, or they would still be here.


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#38 : April 20, 2012, 11:12:00 PM

The 2009 draft I would have to say is probably the WORST draft that has happened in the past 5-7 years.


I really think it's the worst ever.   The fact that Freeman "appears" to be a good QB is a big problem.   He's going to drag this team down for years.




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Well, unfortunately I must agree with Java on this point. The worst thing is not to have an awful QB. With that, it's obvious and you draft another one high. It's when you have the tweeners, the guys who are good, but not great, that you get in trouble.
Think Norm Snead. Think Jim Hart. Think any guy who looks pretty good for awhile, wins some games, but not enough to win you a championship. Once in awhile they'll win a division and even a playoff game (David Garrard). But you keep them around awhile because you think that if they just have a career year, they can win it all for you.
Freeman, given his pattern so far, is at risk to fall into this category. What if the Bucs win 8 games and Freeman throws 20 TD passes with 13 INTs this year? Would the Bucs consider replacing him? No. But then in 2013, what if he does more or less the same? We need Freeman to be BETTER than he was in 2010 to get where we want to go. But if he's not the answer, it's better to know sooner rather than later.

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#39 : April 20, 2012, 11:55:38 PM

I'll go by decade:

1970's:  '79
1980's:  not many wrong answers, but I'll go with '82
1990's:  tough call, but I'll take '91
2000's:  '05 - nothing to show for 5 picks in the first 107 selections and Aaron Rodgers is winning a Superbowl, MVP, and Superbowl MVP.

Williams and Ruud.  Not horrible



Not great either, or they would still be here.

I agree, but sadly they aren't the worst 1st and 2nd round picks of that decade for us.

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#40 : April 21, 2012, 12:01:25 AM

Sadly?   Caddy was rookie of the year and Ruud was team MVP during a playoff year.   If the Bucs drafted guys like that every year, they'd have more than one superbowl championship.


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#41 : April 21, 2012, 12:12:15 AM

Caddy was never going to be a long-term solution. He never proved on the collegiate level he could be an effective everydown back and we got just that: a guy, who over the long haul, wasn't a 300-carry back. He had some bad luck, but he was a product of desperation, not wisdom. Had we done the right thing and chosen S-Jax in 2004, we could have avoided multiple problems. Ruud, conversely, was a good player for multiple seasons, just not a great player. No shame in that. Too bad he wasn't good longer. But yeah, if we had a couple Ruuds every year, we'd be better off. At least he stayed on the field.

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#42 : April 21, 2012, 12:32:27 AM

Sadly?   Caddy was rookie of the year and Ruud was team MVP during a playoff year.   If the Bucs drafted guys like that every year, they'd have more than one superbowl championship.
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Disagree, I expect multiple pro bowls out of a top 10 first round pick.  As for a second round pick, Ruud was average at best.

So sadly, we have done worse than this draft multiple times in 1 decade.  1st round pick that doesnt make the pro bowl and a 2nd that isnt good enough to resign.

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#43 : April 21, 2012, 01:20:15 AM

I'll go by decade:

1970's:  '79
1980's:  not many wrong answers, but I'll go with '82
1990's:  tough call, but I'll take '91
2000's:  '05 - nothing to show for 5 picks in the first 107 selections and Aaron Rodgers is winning a Superbowl, MVP, and Superbowl MVP.

Williams and Ruud.  Not horrible



Not great either, or they would still be here.

I agree, but sadly they aren't the worst 1st and 2nd round picks of that decade for us.



Agree, not by a longshot.


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#44 : April 21, 2012, 09:02:35 AM

Sadly?   Caddy was rookie of the year and Ruud was team MVP during a playoff year.   If the Bucs drafted guys like that every year, they'd have more than one superbowl championship.
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Disagree, I expect multiple pro bowls out of a top 10 first round pick.  As for a second round pick, Ruud was average at best.

So sadly, we have done worse than this draft multiple times in 1 decade.  1st round pick that doesnt make the pro bowl and a 2nd that isnt good enough to resign.

How many players drafted in the top 10 of the 2005 draft have made it to multiple pro bowls?

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