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Quote from: BayBucs on April 21, 2012, 06:52:39 PMAll this is a bit of crazy talk IMO. Claiborne has way, wayyyy better hips and change of direction than Gilmore. Gilmore is a nice, tough corner, but you're not going to put him man to man on Roddy White or Colston all game and expect him to hold down the fort all game. Claiborne can do that for you. Gilmore may be the safer pick, but Claiborne's potential to be lockdown makes him worthy of being top 5.Gilmore is a bigger guy, and with the trend leaning towards NBA power forwards at TE in the league, bigger is better IMO.
All this is a bit of crazy talk IMO. Claiborne has way, wayyyy better hips and change of direction than Gilmore. Gilmore is a nice, tough corner, but you're not going to put him man to man on Roddy White or Colston all game and expect him to hold down the fort all game. Claiborne can do that for you. Gilmore may be the safer pick, but Claiborne's potential to be lockdown makes him worthy of being top 5.
Quote from: The Anti-Java on April 21, 2012, 07:44:52 PMQuote from: BayBucs on April 21, 2012, 06:52:39 PMAll this is a bit of crazy talk IMO. Claiborne has way, wayyyy better hips and change of direction than Gilmore. Gilmore is a nice, tough corner, but you're not going to put him man to man on Roddy White or Colston all game and expect him to hold down the fort all game. Claiborne can do that for you. Gilmore may be the safer pick, but Claiborne's potential to be lockdown makes him worthy of being top 5.Gilmore is a bigger guy, and with the trend leaning towards NBA power forwards at TE in the league, bigger is better IMO.Gilmore is only one inch taller, but Claiborne has 33 1/4 inch arms where Gilmore has 31 inch arms. Claiborne can run and turn like a smaller corner but jam and get his hands around the ball like much taller corners. If he stays healthy Claiborne will be a stud. CB's aren't paid to tackle, and it's not like Claiborne is horrible. At least he's willing to tackle.
Cosell is considered quite the talent evaluator. I wonder what makes him give Claiborne that rate?
Quote from: BayBucs on April 21, 2012, 06:52:39 PMAll this is a bit of crazy talk IMO. Claiborne has way, wayyyy better hips and change of direction than Gilmore. Gilmore is a nice, tough corner, but you're not going to put him man to man on Roddy White or Colston all game and expect him to hold down the fort all game. Claiborne can do that for you. Gilmore may be the safer pick, but Claiborne's potential to be lockdown makes him worthy of being top 5.Who is the best receiver that Claiborne has had to "hold the fort all game" against? Randal from LSU? One of the arkansas slot guys?
Quote from: Bucfan40 on April 21, 2012, 09:04:21 PMQuote from: BayBucs on April 21, 2012, 06:52:39 PMAll this is a bit of crazy talk IMO. Claiborne has way, wayyyy better hips and change of direction than Gilmore. Gilmore is a nice, tough corner, but you're not going to put him man to man on Roddy White or Colston all game and expect him to hold down the fort all game. Claiborne can do that for you. Gilmore may be the safer pick, but Claiborne's potential to be lockdown makes him worthy of being top 5.Who is the best receiver that Claiborne has had to "hold the fort all game" against? Randal from LSU? One of the arkansas slot guys?This argument against him is weak IMO. How many really great receivers are there in college football? Notice I said that Claiborne could lock down Roddy White and Colston, but I didn't mention Julio Jones. If that guy is right, he is going to get something no matter what you do. You can take a look at Jones breaking open on the sitff hipped Gilmore all over the field in this video if you want to. You be the one to decide who you'd want covering him, Gilmore or Claiborne.
I'm not sure the exact stats but I heard Claiborne only gave up a 100 yard game to a WR once in his two years as a starter. I don't get the Gilmore hype, I'd take Robinson over him. I guess positional value and a fast 40 bumped him into the first round.
That and there being a very small difference between RG3 and Tannehill. Come on now.
Quote from: nubcake on April 21, 2012, 06:28:44 PMThat and there being a very small difference between RG3 and Tannehill. Come on now.I hadn't heard that one. But I did hear someone say it was a toss up between RG3 and Luck. That's ridiculous. I'd take Luck every day of the week and twice on Sunday over RG3.