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#45 : April 21, 2012, 10:52:00 AM

Sadly?   Caddy was rookie of the year and Ruud was team MVP during a playoff year.   If the Bucs drafted guys like that every year, they'd have more than one superbowl championship.
Yet both were playing under one-year tenders in 2010 and on other teams by 2011. You can't have 1st and 2nd round picks washed out or washing out of the league in six years if you want to be a good team. Imagine of by 2001 the best the market could do for Sapp and Brooks was one year contracts?
: April 21, 2012, 10:55:46 AM Feel Real Good

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#46 : April 21, 2012, 11:28:57 AM

Again, which of these guys drafted in the top 10 in 2005 are still with their original team and are pro bowlers?

1   San Francisco 49ers   Alex Smith   QB   Utah
2   Miami Dolphins   Ronnie Brown   RB   Auburn
3   Cleveland Browns   Braylon Edwards   WR   Michigan
4   Chicago Bears   Cedric Benson   RB   Texas
5   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Cadillac Williams   RB   Auburn
6   Tennessee Titans   Pacman Jones   CB   West Virginia
7   Minnesota Vikings   Troy Williamson   WR   South Carolina
8   Arizona Cardinals   Antrel Rolle   DB   Miami (Fla.)
9   Washington Redskins   Carlos Rogers   DB   Auburn
10   Detroit Lions            Mike Williams   WR   USC


The fact is, that was a weak draft and the Bucs did pretty damn good with the Caddy pick.


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#47 : April 21, 2012, 11:30:59 AM

Here's the 2nd round that year.    Who in this list is still on their original team producing at a high level?

33   San Francisco 49ers   David Baas   G   Michigan
34   Cleveland Browns   Brodney Pool   DB   Oklahoma
35   Philadelphia Eagles   Reggie Brown   WR   Georgia
36   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Barrett Ruud   LB   Nebraska
37   Detroit Lions   Shaun Cody   DE   USC
38   Oakland Raiders   Stanford Routt   DB   Houston
39   Chicago Bears   Mark Bradley   WR   Oklahoma
40   New Orleans Saints   Josh Bullocks   FS   Nebraska
41   Tennessee Titans   Michael Roos   T   Eastern Washington
42   Dallas Cowboys   Kevin Burnett   LB   Tennessee
43   New York Giants   Corey Webster   DB   Louisiana State
44   Arizona Cardinals   J.J. Arrington   RB   California
45   Seattle Seahawks   Lofa Tatupu   MLB   USC
46   Miami Dolphins   Matt Roth   DE   Iowa
47   New York Jets   Mike Nugent   K   Ohio State
48   Cincinnati Bengals   Odell Thurman   MLB   Georgia
49   Minnesota Vikings   Marcus Johnson   G   Mississippi
50   St. Louis Rams   Ronald Bartell   CB   Howard
51   Green Bay Packers   Nick Collins   FS   Bethune-Cookman
52   Jacksonville Jaguars   Khalif Barnes   T   Washington
53   Baltimore Ravens   Dan Cody   LB   Oklahoma
54   Carolina Panthers   Eric Shelton   RB   Louisville
55   Buffalo Bills   Roscoe Parrish   WR   Miami (Fla.)
56   Denver Broncos   Darrent Williams   CB   Oklahoma State
57   New York Jets   Justin Miller   CB   Clemson
58   Green Bay Packers   Terrence Murphy   WR   Texas A&M
59   Atlanta Falcons   Jonathan Babineaux   DE   Iowa
60   Indianapolis Colts   Kelvin Hayden   DB   Illinois


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#48 : April 21, 2012, 11:33:15 AM

Here are the first round picks in 2009 taken after Freeman.   That year was a FAR stronger draft.  I consider that year to be the biggest bust year in Buc history for the draft due to it having a high level of talent and the Bucs missing.

17   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Josh Freeman   QB   Kansas State
18   Denver Broncos   Robert Ayers   LB   Tennessee
19   Philadelphia Eagles   Jeremy Maclin   WR   Missouri
20   Detroit Lions   Brandon Pettigrew   TE   Oklahoma State
21   Cleveland Browns   Alex Mack   C   California
22   Minnesota Vikings   Percy Harvin   WR   Florida
23   Baltimore Ravens   Michael Oher   T   Mississippi
24   Atlanta Falcons   Peria Jerry   DT   Mississippi
25   Miami Dolphins   Vontae Davis   DB   Illinois
26   Green Bay Packers   Clay Matthews   LB   USC
27   Indianapolis Colts   Donald Brown   RB   Connecticut
28   Buffalo Bills   Eric Wood   C   Louisville
29   New York Giants   Hakeem Nicks   WR   North Carolina
30   Tennessee Titans   Kenny Britt   WR   Rutgers
31   Arizona Cardinals   Beanie Wells   RB   Ohio State


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#49 : April 21, 2012, 11:34:15 AM

How about the bust pick of Roy Miller when Wallace was still on the board?

81   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Roy Miller   DT   Texas
82   Detroit Lions   Derrick Williams   WR   Penn State
83   New England Patriots   Brandon Tate   WR   North Carolina
84   Pittsburgh Steelers   Mike Wallace   WR   Mississippi


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#50 : April 21, 2012, 11:36:02 AM

2010, the Bucs take McCoy at #3 and look who gets picked over 10 picks later.

15   New York Giants   Jason Pierre-Paul   DE   South Florida


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#51 : April 21, 2012, 03:46:34 PM

2010, the Bucs take McCoy at #3 and look who gets picked over 10 picks later.

15   New York Giants   Jason Pierre-Paul   DE   South Florida




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#52 : April 21, 2012, 05:19:06 PM

I'd say worst draft ever was 1986. We had 2 firsts and got Bo Jackson-refused to play and Rod "Toast" Jones. We also had 2 seconds and got Jackie Walker (???) and Kevin Murphy. The only notable player was Tommy Barnhart-a punter in the 9th


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#53 : April 21, 2012, 05:23:26 PM

Again, which of these guys drafted in the top 10 in 2005 are still with their original team and are pro bowlers?

1   San Francisco 49ers   Alex Smith   QB   Utah
2   Miami Dolphins   Ronnie Brown   RB   Auburn
3   Cleveland Browns   Braylon Edwards   WR   Michigan
4   Chicago Bears   Cedric Benson   RB   Texas
5   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Cadillac Williams   RB   Auburn
6   Tennessee Titans   Pacman Jones   CB   West Virginia
7   Minnesota Vikings   Troy Williamson   WR   South Carolina
8   Arizona Cardinals   Antrel Rolle   DB   Miami (Fla.)
9   Washington Redskins   Carlos Rogers   DB   Auburn
10   Detroit Lions            Mike Williams   WR   USC


The fact is, that was a weak draft


That's true.  If only the Buccaneers had MVP, Franchise QB staring them right in the face for that pick.  Oh well, the guy they picked is a Free Agent at the moment.


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#54 : April 21, 2012, 05:56:12 PM

Again, which of these guys drafted in the top 10 in 2005 are still with their original team and are pro bowlers?

1   San Francisco 49ers   Alex Smith   QB   Utah
2   Miami Dolphins   Ronnie Brown   RB   Auburn
3   Cleveland Browns   Braylon Edwards   WR   Michigan
4   Chicago Bears   Cedric Benson   RB   Texas
5   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Cadillac Williams   RB   Auburn
6   Tennessee Titans   Pacman Jones   CB   West Virginia
7   Minnesota Vikings   Troy Williamson   WR   South Carolina
8   Arizona Cardinals   Antrel Rolle   DB   Miami (Fla.)
9   Washington Redskins   Carlos Rogers   DB   Auburn
10   Detroit Lions            Mike Williams   WR   USC


The fact is, that was a weak draft and the Bucs did pretty damn good with the Caddy pick.


Really?? Interesting that you cut it off at ten since:

11. DeMarcus Ware
12. Shawne Merriman

and that guy picked at 24 isn't too bad. Maybe better than Simms, Greise, or Garcia.



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#55 : April 22, 2012, 12:01:51 AM

Again, which of these guys drafted in the top 10 in 2005 are still with their original team and are pro bowlers?

1   San Francisco 49ers   Alex Smith   QB   Utah
2   Miami Dolphins   Ronnie Brown   RB   Auburn
3   Cleveland Browns   Braylon Edwards   WR   Michigan
4   Chicago Bears   Cedric Benson   RB   Texas
5   Tampa Bay Buccaneers   Cadillac Williams   RB   Auburn
6   Tennessee Titans   Pacman Jones   CB   West Virginia
7   Minnesota Vikings   Troy Williamson   WR   South Carolina
8   Arizona Cardinals   Antrel Rolle   DB   Miami (Fla.)
9   Washington Redskins   Carlos Rogers   DB   Auburn
10   Detroit Lions            Mike Williams   WR   USC


The fact is, that was a weak draft and the Bucs did pretty damn good with the Caddy pick.


Really?? Interesting that you cut it off at ten

Disagree, I expect multiple pro bowls out of a top 10 first round pick.


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#56 : April 22, 2012, 12:02:38 AM

Some drafts, it's better to pick later.   


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#57 : April 22, 2012, 12:11:52 AM

I'd say worst draft ever was 1986. We had 2 firsts and got Bo Jackson-refused to play and Rod "Toast" Jones. We also had 2 seconds and got Jackie Walker (???) and Kevin Murphy. The only notable player was Tommy Barnhart-a punter in the 9th

As horrible as that draft was, at least Kevin Murphy was a pretty solid linebacker and Barnhardt was a really good punter.    Rod Jones sucked, but I don't think he was any worse than Roy Miller.    I still think the 2009 draft may have been worse than that pathetic 1986 draft.   But other than 2009, I agree that 1986 was the worst ever.

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