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Quote from: The Blount Train on April 22, 2012, 11:21:22 PMFunny thing is the Vikings need corners badly in their division and having Talib and Claiborne on their team would be a damn good start. This Bucs team needs dynamic playmakers.....it was evident more than anything last season. The Packers, Patriots, Saints and many of the other good teams from last year give up a crap ton of big plays as well and don't have particularly great play from their secondary, but they have a bunch of explosive playmakers on their team to make up for it. Grab Trent Richardson instead of letting it be Calvin Johnson 2.0. Claiborne isn't Revis...he's not going to change our entire defense. But having a two headed monster of Richardson and Blount behind a line of 3 potential Pro-Bowlers plus Freeman throwing to V-Jax, Mike Williams, Rejus, Winslow and Stocker has a chance to be extremely dangerous. All I know is if we pair TR and Blount we automatically might have the best running game in the entire league, while adding Claiborne would just make one part of our secondary potentially a little bit better.
Funny thing is the Vikings need corners badly in their division and having Talib and Claiborne on their team would be a damn good start. This Bucs team needs dynamic playmakers.....it was evident more than anything last season. The Packers, Patriots, Saints and many of the other good teams from last year give up a crap ton of big plays as well and don't have particularly great play from their secondary, but they have a bunch of explosive playmakers on their team to make up for it. Grab Trent Richardson instead of letting it be Calvin Johnson 2.0. Claiborne isn't Revis...he's not going to change our entire defense. But having a two headed monster of Richardson and Blount behind a line of 3 potential Pro-Bowlers plus Freeman throwing to V-Jax, Mike Williams, Rejus, Winslow and Stocker has a chance to be extremely dangerous. All I know is if we pair TR and Blount we automatically might have the best running game in the entire league, while adding Claiborne would just make one part of our secondary potentially a little bit better.
The Bucs better not trade Talib. This is literally the worst time to do so. He's about to go on trial. If the Bucs sign him to an extension mid-season and then try and trade him after next season that would make more sense. He's way too good a player to trade for less than a second round pick.
Quote from: snicker24 on April 22, 2012, 11:57:35 PMThe Bucs better not trade Talib. This is literally the worst time to do so. He's about to go on trial. If the Bucs sign him to an extension mid-season and then try and trade him after next season that would make more sense. He's way too good a player to trade for less than a second round pick.I'd trade him to move up 2 spots
Wouldn't be surprised... this coaching staff is giving the appearance of knowing Exactly what it wants....
Quote from: Hate on April 23, 2012, 12:02:58 AMQuote from: snicker24 on April 22, 2012, 11:57:35 PMThe Bucs better not trade Talib. This is literally the worst time to do so. He's about to go on trial. If the Bucs sign him to an extension mid-season and then try and trade him after next season that would make more sense. He's way too good a player to trade for less than a second round pick.I'd trade him to move up 2 spotsI don't think he'll be traded to move up from #5 to #3, but it wouldn't shock me if we drafted a corner early and then used Talib to move up in a later round to get a guy we like.
Quote from: Hate on April 23, 2012, 12:02:58 AMQuote from: snicker24 on April 22, 2012, 11:57:35 PMThe Bucs better not trade Talib. This is literally the worst time to do so. He's about to go on trial. If the Bucs sign him to an extension mid-season and then try and trade him after next season that would make more sense. He's way too good a player to trade for less than a second round pick.I'd trade him to move up 2 spotsYou would seriously trade the team's best defensive player(probably best player overall) to move up two picks!?
Quote from: The Blount Train on April 22, 2012, 11:21:22 PMFunny thing is the Vikings need corners badly in their division and having Talib and Claiborne on their team would be a damn good start. This Bucs team needs dynamic playmakers.....it was evident more than anything last season. The Packers, Patriots, Saints and many of the other good teams from last year give up a crap ton of big plays as well and don't have particularly great play from their secondary, but they have a bunch of explosive playmakers on their team to make up for it. Grab Trent Richardson instead of letting it be Calvin Johnson 2.0. Claiborne isn't Revis...he's not going to change our entire defense. But having a two headed monster of Richardson and Blount behind a line of 3 potential Pro-Bowlers plus Freeman throwing to V-Jax, Mike Williams, Rejus, Winslow and Stocker has a chance to be extremely dangerous. All I know is if we pair TR and Blount we automatically might have the best running game in the entire league, while adding Claiborne would just make one part of our secondary potentially a little bit better.Well said. I say fixing one side of the ball this offseason, then fix the other next offseason would be the best plan. The offense is the easiest to upgrade as it already was better than the defense. The defense isn't going to improve much "because Caliborne is there," but rather a whole new group and better coaching. That, all in all, isn't going to happen until next offseason regardless of what any fan wants.My problem with Claiborne is that he's 5'11 188 (and scored a four on the Wonderlic). If you look at the competition in the NFC South, he's NOT "the guy." Roddy White is 6'0 211lbs. Julio Jones is 6'3 220lbs. Colston is 6'4 225lbs. In fact, the only #1 Wr he's physically comparable to in the NFC South is Steve Smith or maybe Henderson from the Saints. Every other WR out there towers over Claiborne, even our own WR's (VJ 6'5 230 MW 6'1 212). Every other cornerback in the NFC South gets burnt, and ironically, they're nearly all comparable to Claiborne's stature and speed. I honestly don't think he would make that much of an impact on any team outside the AFC West. The Best he, and possibly Tampa fans could hope for is Dunta Robinson-like production and I'm not so sure that's worth the #5 overall.
Quote from: Benchwarmer#1 on April 23, 2012, 12:20:10 AMQuote from: The Blount Train on April 22, 2012, 11:21:22 PMFunny thing is the Vikings need corners badly in their division and having Talib and Claiborne on their team would be a damn good start. This Bucs team needs dynamic playmakers.....it was evident more than anything last season. The Packers, Patriots, Saints and many of the other good teams from last year give up a crap ton of big plays as well and don't have particularly great play from their secondary, but they have a bunch of explosive playmakers on their team to make up for it. Grab Trent Richardson instead of letting it be Calvin Johnson 2.0. Claiborne isn't Revis...he's not going to change our entire defense. But having a two headed monster of Richardson and Blount behind a line of 3 potential Pro-Bowlers plus Freeman throwing to V-Jax, Mike Williams, Rejus, Winslow and Stocker has a chance to be extremely dangerous. All I know is if we pair TR and Blount we automatically might have the best running game in the entire league, while adding Claiborne would just make one part of our secondary potentially a little bit better.Well said. I say fixing one side of the ball this offseason, then fix the other next offseason would be the best plan. The offense is the easiest to upgrade as it already was better than the defense. The defense isn't going to improve much "because Caliborne is there," but rather a whole new group and better coaching. That, all in all, isn't going to happen until next offseason regardless of what any fan wants.My problem with Claiborne is that he's 5'11 188 (and scored a four on the Wonderlic). If you look at the competition in the NFC South, he's NOT "the guy." Roddy White is 6'0 211lbs. Julio Jones is 6'3 220lbs. Colston is 6'4 225lbs. In fact, the only #1 Wr he's physically comparable to in the NFC South is Steve Smith or maybe Henderson from the Saints. Every other WR out there towers over Claiborne, even our own WR's (VJ 6'5 230 MW 6'1 212). Every other cornerback in the NFC South gets burnt, and ironically, they're nearly all comparable to Claiborne's stature and speed. I honestly don't think he would make that much of an impact on any team outside the AFC West. The Best he, and possibly Tampa fans could hope for is Dunta Robinson-like production and I'm not so sure that's worth the #5 overall.Claiborne matches up well with taller CBs because of his freakishly long arms
Quote from: snicker24 on April 23, 2012, 12:12:26 AMQuote from: Hate on April 23, 2012, 12:02:58 AMQuote from: snicker24 on April 22, 2012, 11:57:35 PMThe Bucs better not trade Talib. This is literally the worst time to do so. He's about to go on trial. If the Bucs sign him to an extension mid-season and then try and trade him after next season that would make more sense. He's way too good a player to trade for less than a second round pick.I'd trade him to move up 2 spotsYou would seriously trade the team's best defensive player(probably best player overall) to move up two picks!?Personally, i'd like to keep Talib but if the powers that be have decided to move on from him, i'd much rather get something in return rather than just cut him.