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« #480 : October 01, 2012, 05:35:58 PM »

But we at least know where Tiquan Underwood got the inspiration for his coif.


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« #481 : October 01, 2012, 06:10:17 PM »

But we at least know where Tiquan Underwood got the inspiration for his coif.


I expected a liberal to ignore as much.  Sorry that I am unable to bury my head into the sand like you can.  Does it ever rain where you live?

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« #482 : October 01, 2012, 06:16:50 PM »

But we at least know where Tiquan Underwood got the inspiration for his coif.


I expected a liberal to ignore as much.  Sorry that I am unable to bury my head into the sand like you can.  Does it ever rain where you live?

You got it all figured it out.

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« #483 : October 01, 2012, 06:31:51 PM »

That is what happens when you make the effort.  Perhaps this admin can make a cliff's notes version for "victims of society".
« : October 01, 2012, 06:39:51 PM Bayfisher »

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« #484 : October 01, 2012, 09:20:40 PM »

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/30/as-college-sophomore-eric-holder-participated-in-armed-takeover-of-former-columbia-university-rotc-office/

We should do a staunch investigation of what every US official was doing 42 years ago. or when they were 18 years old. We all know people never mature. All of us are exactly the same people we were at 18.  ::)


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« #485 : October 01, 2012, 10:01:38 PM »

When it comes to youthful indiscretion there has to be some leeway. Take for example NY (R) Rep. Peter King. He himself has a history of supporting terrorism on his resume. He claims to be very much an anti-terrorist, today, but in his past he doesn't deny he provided support to the IRA. For example: He said this....

“We must pledge ourselves to support those brave men and women who this very moment are carrying forth the struggle against British imperialism in the streets of Belfast and Derry,” Mr. King told a pro-I.R.A. rally on Long Island, where he was serving as Nassau County comptroller, in 1982. Three years later he declared, “If civilians are killed in an attack on a military installation, it is certainly regrettable, but I will not morally blame the I.R.A. for it.”

As Mr. King, a Republican, rose as a Long Island politician in the 1980s, benefiting from strong Irish-American support, the I.R.A. was carrying out a bloody campaign of bombing and sniping, targeting the British Army, Protestant paramilitaries and sometimes pubs and other civilian gathering spots. His statements, along with his close ties to key figures in the military and political wings of the I.R.A., drew the attention of British and American authorities.

A judge in Belfast threw him out of an I.R.A. murder trial, calling him an “obvious collaborator,” said Ed Moloney, an Irish journalist and author of “A Secret History of the I.R.A.” In 1984, Mr. King complained that the Secret Service had investigated him as a “security risk,” Mr. Moloney said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us/politics/09king.html?_r=2&hp&

But there's a difference w/ King and some others w/ a history of  youthful indiscretion. King was over 40 years old when this was taking place and his support was for a group that waged terrorism against civilians of what is likely our number one ally in the world the, United Kingdom.

But of course you already have all this figured out, don't you, Bayfisher.

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« #486 : October 01, 2012, 10:10:10 PM »

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/30/as-college-sophomore-eric-holder-participated-in-armed-takeover-of-former-columbia-university-rotc-office/

We should do a staunch investigation of what every US official was doing 42 years ago. or when they were 18 years old. We all know people never mature. All of us are exactly the same people we were at 18.  ::)
remember days when public officials were vetted.  Reporters actually badgered for answers.  This pussified, conformed  version of America is boring and insulting.  I'm sure you were screaming for something in Bush's past.  According to you two I should just conform to society and sweep these crazy articles under the rug?  Out of sight, out of mind. 

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« #487 : October 01, 2012, 10:16:42 PM »

Let me help you out here, Bayfisher.

Don't presume to know what I think on these issues and don't presume to know my politics because just in your two most recent posts you have made some real school-boy  errors.

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« #488 : October 01, 2012, 10:17:50 PM »

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/30/as-college-sophomore-eric-holder-participated-in-armed-takeover-of-former-columbia-university-rotc-office/

We should do a staunch investigation of what every US official was doing 42 years ago. or when they were 18 years old. We all know people never mature. All of us are exactly the same people we were at 18.  ::)
remember days when public officials were vetted.  Reporters actually badgered for answers.  This pussified, conformed  version of America is boring and insulting.  I'm sure you were screaming for something in Bush's past.  According to you two I should just conform to society and sweep these crazy articles under the rug?  Out of sight, out of mind.

I agree with you about the press, but this Holder thing is irrelevant. No more than conservative pablum. I could care less about Holder or Bush's distant past. Bush's present was what needed to be vetted more. It would have been far more difficult for him to lie us into a war with Iraq had the press not been asleep at the wheel.


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« #489 : October 01, 2012, 10:18:31 PM »

Lmao! You don't have to dig far for corruption. It is rampant throughout.  And dig for all the Republican stuff you want. I'm in the Common Sense Party if they have one. Lol. I can think for myself.  Anyone that doesn't see how corrupt it is and how many lies were spewed is simply hiding the truth from themselves. 

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« #490 : October 01, 2012, 10:33:24 PM »

Lmao! You don't have to dig far for corruption. It is rampant throughout.  And dig for all the Republican stuff you want. I'm in the Common Sense Party if they have one. Lol. I can think for myself.  Anyone that doesn't see how corrupt it is and how many lies were spewed is simply hiding the truth from themselves.

Since you posted the Eric (Kid n Play) Holder link w/ o comment what exactly is the point you're trying to make about that?

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« #491 : October 01, 2012, 10:35:56 PM »

It fit with the thread title.

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« #493 : October 01, 2012, 10:42:07 PM »

Lol! DId you want a real answer? I'm sure you have seen the news and Univision actually asking some tough questions.  And if we just forget someone's past, Van Jones would still be strutting through the White House.

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« #494 : October 02, 2012, 07:40:37 AM »

Funny how none of you that are so diligently finding all of those "voter fraud" links didn't find this one...

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GOP Quietly Hires Firm Tied to Voter Fraud Scandal for Work in Battleground States

The Palm Beach Post report last night that a Florida Republican Party contractor turned in at least 106 “questionable” registration firms, with “similar signatures” and wrong addresses, doesn’t seem like a national news story. But it has unwoven a somewhat concealed effort by Republicans in several states to deploy a firm with an ugly history of allegedly destroying Democratic voter registration forms and other acts of fraud.

The contractor in Florida is called Strategic Allied Consulting, a business entity created a few months ago and registered online by a former Arizona Republican Party director named Nathan Sproul.

Sproul, a consultant based in Tempe, is infamous for accusations that his firms have committed fraud by tampering with Democratic voter registration forms and suppressing votes. Sproul was hired by the Romney campaign for a period of five months that began last November and ended in March. But now there’s evidence that the payments continued, only to a different name.

As Greg Flynn of BlueNC pointed out earlier this month, Strategic Allied Consulting recently put up a proxy to hide the fact that its website was registered by Sproul; but not before Flynn took a screen shot. Flynn notes that the firm has been aggressively hiring in Nevada, North Carolina, Virginia and Florida. He flagged two large payments to the firm from GOP committees in Florida and North Carolina.



I found a few more payments, like this one from the Colorado Republican Committee: $140,000 to the Sproul-connected firm on July 6, 2012. (UPDATE: I also found the California Republican Party making $430,840 in payments to "Grassroots Outreach, LLC" this cycle for voter registration and petition gathering. According to this disclosure, Grassroots Outreach shares the same address as Sproul's office in Tempe, Arizona. Craigslist job postings in California and Colorado use identical language as Strategic Alled Consulting's listings in North Carolina.)

Brad Friedman has put up a history of Sproul’s companies, and their work for Republican interests. They range from antics like gathering signatures to put Nader on the ballot and being banned from Walmart for partisan voting drives to more serious offenses, like allegedly destroying Democratic registration forms in several states while on the payroll of the RNC.

I called Sproul’s firm in Arizona to ask about its connection to Strategic Allied Consulting. “I am not at liberty to discuss that,” the reception answered bluntly, before transferring me to another employee who gave a similarly coy response. I e-mailed my questions over, and will post a response if they send it. It’s also worth noting Sproul hid his tracks in 2008.

For the 2008 campaign cycle, Sproul changed his company’s name from Sproul & Associates (an earlier iteration was called Voter Outreach of America) to “Lincoln Strategy Group,” and McCain’s campaign used a California affiliate to hire him.

It's possible that Romney, like McCain, wanted to utilize Sproul without becoming publicly associated with him. The type of fraud Sproul has been accused of is fairly breathtaking, and seems to dwarf the trumped-up charges by Republicans that Democrats have engaged in widespread voter fraud (claims that have been widely debunked).

In 2004, a voter registration worker in Nevada hired by Sproul’s firm told reporters that he had witnessed his surpervisors chucking registration forms signed by Democrats. “They were thrown away in the trash,” he claimed. Sproul’s canvassers in Oregon confessed to doing the same thing, and other reports emerged across several swing states. In Minnesota, workers said they were actually fired for bringing in registration forms signed by Democrats. CBS News obtained faxes showing that Sproul's firm had even impersonated the left-leaning America Votes! to organize voter registration drives at libraries.

One of the mysteries with Sproul that I had wondered about while covering this story in the past is why there had never been a serious investigation.

As I pointed out in a blog post earlier this year, Sproul's alleged activities were uniquely worrisome. “So the difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn’t throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out,” remarked Chris Cannon, a Republican lawmaker from Utah, who later lost his seat because of a right-wing primary challenge, during a congressional hearing on voter suppression. Indeed, many voter registration groups (including ACORN) have paid per-registration form turned in, thus incentivizing fake signatures—i.e., Mickey Mouse registering to vote. But this type of thing doesn't actually result in fraudulent votes because Mickey Mouse doesn’t show up at the polls and try to cast a ballot. Destroying registration forms, on the other hand, means citizens who believed they were registered show up and could have been denied their vote.

Sam Stein reported that in 2004, Senators Patrick Leahy and Ted Kennedy had demanded an investigation in light of the many reports of Sproul’s firm destroying registration forms. But the Department of Justice sat on its hands. “Sproul & Associates clearly merited a full investigation by the Justice Department; and yet the DoJ did nothing,” said New York University law professor Mark Miller at the Cannon hearing.

Perhaps Sproul’s ties to prominent Republicans helped him escape an investigation.

As Congress and ethics experts loudly called for investigations into Sproul’s voter suppression, the Bush administration literally welcomed Sproul and his wife into the White House for a Christmas party in 2006. The administration instead chose prosecute groups associated with registering low-income and poor Americans to vote.

UPDATE: Around 2:30 pm EST on Thursday, WRAL News in North Carolina reports that the NC GOP is dropping its contract with Strategic Allied Consulting. Last night, the Florida Republican Party said it would be ending its contract with the firm as well. What about the Colorado Republican Party, the California Republicans Party, and what appears to be GOP contracts in Virginia and Nevada?

UPDATE: NBC News is reporting that the national Republican Party is cutting ties with Strategic Allied Partners. They've also confirmed that the company is run by Nathan Sproul. Sproul was hired for a multimillion dollar contract to recruit 4,000-5,000 people to help register Republican voters in swing states (at $12-$16/hr, according to the Craigslist posts we reported). Given the size of this contract, the abrupt way that the party dropped Sproul might raise some eyebrows. Maybe they were worried the Palm Beach incident wasn't isolated?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170198/gop-quietly-hires-firm-tied-voter-fraud-scandal-work-battleground-states

More on this...
http://wtvr.com/2012/09/27/virginia-republicans-fire-voter-registration-group/
http://kdvr.com/2012/09/28/colorado-gop-dumps-firm-with-ties-to-voter-fraud/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-registration-fraud-gop-backed-firm-spreads/story?id=17370445

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