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#15 : June 18, 2012, 07:35:13 AM

Bennett does make some good plays, but a lot of big runs last year came on the outside, meaning the ends and CBs aren't doing a good enough job to contain.

This is the only thing I really see as a negative with Bennett. I don't know how many times we saw good pressure, just to see the QB scramble around right tackle and make a play. Hopefully Schiano can keep Bennett on his assignments and Bennett can keep improving.


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#16 : June 18, 2012, 11:49:08 AM

Quincy Black was our "Secret Superstar" last year....tells you about all you need to know.

He was a pretty good player in '10.

No he wasnt...he never has been. At his very best, he was below average with lots of potential because his muscles were big and he could run pretty fast for a LB. 3 years of suck and people still defend his play.

Absolute 100% truth. Seriously..if I could pour those words over ice and put a tiny umbrella in the glass...mmm so refreshing.


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#17 : June 18, 2012, 01:03:16 PM

He has looked very good even though he has been surrounded by mediocrity. If we had a top notch front seven......then I think Bennett could be outstanding. For example, plug him in on the Giants roster and he probably gets 10 sacks a year instead of 4 and is considered a play maker. If the guys around him can step up their game and stay healthy, I think Bennett could make it to another level.
I disagree. Offensive lineman-on-defensive lineman match ups are largely one-on-one. Just because you're at LDE and have Jason Pierre-Paul at RDE, you're still going against the RT. No team is going to be so afraid of JPP they're going to leave the LDE unblocked. Bennett had 4 sacks in 2011. Two of them came against Jeff Linkenbach. He hasn't shown he can even semi-consistently beat starting caliber RT's.

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#18 : June 18, 2012, 01:36:29 PM

If the rest of your line sucks the QB can just step up into the pocket and move around in the pocket. If the QB has nowhere to go it definetly has a huge impact on a DEs effectiveness. I disagree strongly that oline and dline play is all about one on one match ups. The lines play as a unit and are only as good as their weakest link.


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#19 : June 18, 2012, 02:01:56 PM

If the rest of your line sucks the QB can just step up into the pocket and move around in the pocket. If the QB has nowhere to go it definetly has a huge impact on a DEs effectiveness. I disagree strongly that oline and dline play is all about one on one match ups. The lines play as a unit and are only as good as their weakest link.
Not really. Many times you'll have one dominant pass rusher who gets all the sacks because all the other players are so bad they can't get to the QB. There's no evidence of a player with real talent being held back from sacking the QB because the other players can't put the QB in position to be sacked. Only mediocre pass rushers need to be set up. In 2010 John Abraham had 13 sacks while not a single other Falcons player had more than 4. Good players get theirs. If you're the type of player who needs to feed off other players, you're not "very good".

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#20 : June 18, 2012, 02:18:40 PM

If the rest of your line sucks the QB can just step up into the pocket and move around in the pocket. If the QB has nowhere to go it definetly has a huge impact on a DEs effectiveness. I disagree strongly that oline and dline play is all about one on one match ups. The lines play as a unit and are only as good as their weakest link.
Not really. Many times you'll have one dominant pass rusher who gets all the sacks because all the other players are so bad they can't get to the QB. There's no evidence of a player with real talent being held back from sacking the QB because the other players can't put the QB in position to be sacked. Only mediocre pass rushers need to be set up. In 2010 John Abraham had 13 sacks while not a single other Falcons player had more than 4. Good players get theirs. If you're the type of player who needs to feed off other players, you're not "very good".
Jonathan Babineaux is a stud. Yeah he had 4 sacks, but he is definitely a top 5 pass rushing UT in the NFL. Not everything is about sacks, Babs is a menace and routinely gives Davin Joseph a problem with his quickness and many other NFL guards.

I'm kinda on the fence with that thinking. Simeon Rice(Arizona) and Jared Allen(2006) really didn't have studs outside of them meanwhile, its hard to say if DeMarcus Ware or James Harrison would be as effective if they didn't have many great players around them.
: June 18, 2012, 02:22:54 PM Detrimental

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#21 : June 18, 2012, 02:21:14 PM


So whe  the  QB eludes the DE by stepping up into the pocket created by lack of pressure in the  middle, this means the DE isn't very good? A surprising lack of knowledge, FRG.

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#22 : June 18, 2012, 02:24:10 PM

That's because Davin Joseph isn't very good. How about this:

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Tamba Hali: 14.5 sacks
Wallace Gilberry: 7 sacks

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#23 : June 18, 2012, 02:32:58 PM

      Before passing judgement, I'm giving all the guys still here from last year a clean slate until I see how they respond to REAL COACHING a la Schiano...

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#24 : June 18, 2012, 02:45:04 PM

That's because Davin Joseph isn't very good. How about this:

2010 Chiefs

Tamba Hali: 14.5 sacks
Wallace Gilberry: 7 sacks
Your missing the point. This wasn't about Joseph. Babs is disruptive, period. You can say what you want about Joseph, but what we see of him struggling against Babs is nothing new for Atlanta fans. He is a disruptive UT, league wide. Pro bowl talent.

Gilberry is a good pass rusher. I'm not very surprised, just a bad fit for the 3-4 b/c he can't play every down(under sized 3-4 DE)

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#25 : June 18, 2012, 02:53:50 PM

So whe  the  QB eludes the DE by stepping up into the pocket created by lack of pressure in the  middle, this means the DE isn't very good? A surprising lack of knowledge, FRG.
Of course it happens, but it happens to everyone. A starting DE plays around 800 snaps over the course of a season these things average out and the best players get theirs 99% of the time and guys like Michael Bennett don't. Somehow Adrian Clayborn was able to get 7.5 sacks with the same interior pressure playing against better offensive tackles than Bennett saw.

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#26 : June 18, 2012, 02:56:24 PM

Gilberry is a good pass rusher. I'm not very surprised, just a bad fit for the 3-4 b/c he can't play every down(under sized 3-4 DE)
I like Gilberry, but let's call a spade a spade. He was unemployed for three months before a 4-12 team took a flyer on him. If that's the kind of company Michael Bennett is in, it's not a compliment.

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#27 : June 18, 2012, 04:07:32 PM

Bennett is a very good backup type player.  Can't really argue against that...but him starting doesn't send chills down any tackles spines.

Bucs have a horrible pass rush, and nothing has changed.  Just a terrible colelctive group of pass rush specialists.  Something needs to be done quickly.


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#28 : June 18, 2012, 04:35:47 PM

Bennett is a very good backup type player.  Can't really argue against that...but him starting doesn't send chills down any tackles spines.

Bucs have a horrible pass rush, and nothing has changed.  Just a terrible colelctive group of pass rush specialists.  Something needs to be done quickly.

If who we have now can avoid injuries, I think we might be pleasantly surprised. I also think there is a good probability that Morris just doesn't know how to call a defense did that could exploit the strengths of the players there now. I could be wrong but I think Schiano and company will get better results from the same players. Bennett is a journeyman type player though. If the others step it up, then he could benefit from that.
: June 18, 2012, 04:39:57 PM Freddy

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#29 : June 18, 2012, 04:39:13 PM

Boid.... Clayborn is a beast. McCoy gets pressure consistently when healthy. David is an excellent pass rusher. Watson is an excellent pass rusher. Price and Bennett flash. I think you are selling us short.

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