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#15 : July 10, 2012, 05:35:14 PM

Confidence is key.  IMO, Foster will benefit greatly from a full off-season program and the experience of Bryan Cox.

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#16 : July 11, 2012, 08:37:56 AM

In 3 of the first 6 games last year, the Bucs held the opponent to 70 yards rushing or less. In 16 games in 2010, the opponent rushed for at least 70 yards every single time. We've seen this defense play well with Foster.

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#17 : July 11, 2012, 08:40:46 AM

Which 3 games?


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#18 : July 11, 2012, 08:48:00 AM

Which 3 games?
week 3 vs ATL: 15 att, 30 yards rushing
week 4 vs IND: 18 att, 62 yards rushing
week 6 vs NO: 20 att, 70 yards rushing

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#19 : July 11, 2012, 08:53:47 AM

Mason is a talented player.   Our defense will be better overall this year - for so many reasons.

Go get Bridgewater.   Do what it takes.

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#20 : July 11, 2012, 09:09:53 AM

Well let's just throw out the Colts game.  They were the least talented team in the league at that point and their OL was down to 2nd and 3rd stringers.  Atlanta ran Turner 11 times and NO leading rusher was Ingram with 9 carries.  Breed was next with 3.  So was it really a matter of Foster shutting their run game down or those teams choosing a different offensive attack?  I know Brees threw for about 400 yards against us.


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#21 : July 11, 2012, 09:14:37 AM

Blount only got 15 yards against the lions..  Did they shut him down or was it more the fact he only got 5 carries?


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#22 : July 11, 2012, 09:27:56 AM

Atlanta ran Turner 11 times and NO leading rusher was Ingram with 9 carries.  Breed was next with 3.  So was it really a matter of Foster shutting their run game down or those teams choosing a different offensive attack?  I know Brees threw for about 400 yards against us.
How come later in the season New Orleans ran 28 times and Atlanta ran 38 times? Why did they choose a different attack?

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#23 : July 11, 2012, 09:34:00 AM

Because since they lost those early games it was obviously the wrong approach.  Probably had more to do with McCoy than Foster though.


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#24 : July 11, 2012, 09:43:51 AM

During that same time period foster and company let. AP run for about 100 yards in one half.  How about against Gore?


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#25 : July 11, 2012, 09:57:23 AM

Because since they lost those early games it was obviously the wrong approach.  Probably had more to do with McCoy than Foster though.
McCoy didn't play week 6 against New Orleans.

During that same time period foster and company let. AP run for about 100 yards in one half.  How about against Gore?
No one is saying the defense is a finished project. But 16 out of 16 games in 2010, the run defense was between mediocre and disastrous, yet for at least a few glimpses in 2011, it was pretty good to really good. Hopefully we can build on that.

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#26 : July 11, 2012, 11:11:20 AM

Just think you are making a bigger deal about those two games than we should.  There is a tried and true formula for beating us and it was stupid for NO and ATL to deviate from it.  Can we get better defending the run?  I hope so but the evidence of that happening with this same personnel isn't overwhelming.


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#27 : July 11, 2012, 11:31:09 AM

Just think you are making a bigger deal about those two games than we should.  There is a tried and true formula for beating us and it was stupid for NO and ATL to deviate from it.  Can we get better defending the run?  I hope so but the evidence of that happening with this same personnel isn't overwhelming.
The front 7 legitimately played strong in those games. Matt Ryan in particulat got his butt kicked. It's not that Smith and Payton just 'forgot' to run the ball. Those were both competitive games that went down to the end. They had every opportunity to run the ball but couldn't.

I think too much is made of all the games the team quit the second half of the season and not enough is made of the games they actually tried the first half. There is stuff that can be learned from those games.

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#28 : July 11, 2012, 12:06:03 PM

Well let's just throw out the Colts game.  They were the least talented team in the league at that point and their OL was down to 2nd and 3rd stringers.  Atlanta ran Turner 11 times and NO leading rusher was Ingram with 9 carries.  Breed was next with 3.  So was it really a matter of Foster shutting their run game down or those teams choosing a different offensive attack?  I know Brees threw for about 400 yards against us.

Why would you throw out the Colts game?  If you want to bash the defense when they play like crap, you need to be able to give them credit when they played well.  Don't make excuses for good play.



Just think you are making a bigger deal about those two games than we should.  There is a tried and true formula for beating us and it was stupid for NO and ATL to deviate from it.  Can we get better defending the run?  I hope so but the evidence of that happening with this same personnel isn't overwhelming.

Those teams went away from the run because they weren't getting anything out of the run game.

week 3 vs ATL: 15 att, 30 yards rushing, for a 2.0 YPA
week 4 vs IND: 18 att, 62 yards rushing, for a 3.4 YPA
week 6 vs NO: 20 att, 70 yards rushing, for a 3.5 YPA

The defense was stopping the run.  Give them credit for doing so.


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#29 : July 11, 2012, 12:19:24 PM

We registered 4 sacks against that same Indy OL but I wouldn't dare use that as evidence we have solid pass rush potential.  Sure they played good games against NO and ATL and ill give them credit for it but it's just too small a sample size to suggest they have the potential to be stellar against the run.  Hopefully things come together for them under Schiano and they do prove their worth  this year.

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