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Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.
I, for one, can't wait to see him back on the sideline...giving those priceless dirty looks.
Quote from: chace1986 on August 20, 2012, 09:48:50 PMI, for one, can't wait to see him back on the sideline...giving those priceless dirty looks.But is he like Bellick and Cowher? I'm not sure they've been offered jobs.
Do I want to be the best? Hell Yeah. You are the best Jon. Best Coach in Bucs history, maybe best coach of all time. Only guy i'd put ahead would be Lombardi and that's pushing it.
Quote from: TexasTechBucfan on August 21, 2012, 01:02:03 AMDo I want to be the best? Hell Yeah. You are the best Jon. Best Coach in Bucs history, maybe best coach of all time. Only guy i'd put ahead would be Lombardi and that's pushing it.Actually, I agree. I'd put Paul Brown, Bill Walsh, Shula, Noll and Landry up there as well though.
Quote from: JavaRay on August 21, 2012, 07:11:59 AMQuote from: TexasTechBucfan on August 21, 2012, 01:02:03 AMDo I want to be the best? Hell Yeah. You are the best Jon. Best Coach in Bucs history, maybe best coach of all time. Only guy i'd put ahead would be Lombardi and that's pushing it.Actually, I agree. I'd put Paul Brown, Bill Walsh, Shula, Noll and Landry up there as well though.It's like Java "found" a soul mate. Love of Gruden- Kuechly - Orvolsky. TTBF tell us your stance on Thai hookers?
Illuminator is a good poster. He sticks to his guns and makes good points. Some don\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t like that.
Get real. He lucked into a situation where he beat his old team with Dungy/Kiffin's old team.
Quote from: Pewterman on August 21, 2012, 10:08:22 AMAre you serious? Did you just seriously put Jon Gruden in the same level as Don Shula and Landry? The man has 1 Super Bowl ring and that was after he inherited an established organization. Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy. His total career record with Tampa was 57 – 55 (.509) and 45 – 51 (.469) after his Super Bowl team, which we already established, was built by Tony Dungy. He went 12-20 two seasons after the SB run and never won a playoff game since.If it wasn't for the "tuck rule" he could have had another ring.
Are you serious? Did you just seriously put Jon Gruden in the same level as Don Shula and Landry? The man has 1 Super Bowl ring and that was after he inherited an established organization. Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy. His total career record with Tampa was 57 – 55 (.509) and 45 – 51 (.469) after his Super Bowl team, which we already established, was built by Tony Dungy. He went 12-20 two seasons after the SB run and never won a playoff game since.