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#15 : August 21, 2012, 11:27:27 AM


" Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy."

Link, please.

http://askville.amazon.com/Jon-Gruden-fired-Tampa-Bay-Buccaneers/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=34259306
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-01-17/sports/bianchi17a_1_jon-gruden-super-bowl-dungy
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/book-review-sapp-attack
Quoted from his own book.

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#16 : August 21, 2012, 12:00:38 PM

Are you serious? Did you just seriously but Jon Gruden in the same level as Don Shula and Landry? The man has 1 Super Bowl ring and that was after he inherited an established organization. Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy. His total career record with Tampa was 57 55 (.509) and 45 51 (.469) after his Super Bowl team, which we already established, was built by Tony Dungy. He went 12-20 two seasons after the SB run and never won a playoff game since.

If it wasn't for the "tuck rule" he could have had another ring.

What?

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#17 : August 21, 2012, 06:49:43 PM

Are you serious? Did you just seriously but Jon Gruden in the same level as Don Shula and Landry? The man has 1 Super Bowl ring and that was after he inherited an established organization. Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy. His total career record with Tampa was 57 55 (.509) and 45 51 (.469) after his Super Bowl team, which we already established, was built by Tony Dungy. He went 12-20 two seasons after the SB run and never won a playoff game since.

If it wasn't for the "tuck rule" he could have had another ring.




Could have, but far from a sure thing.


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#18 : August 21, 2012, 07:24:30 PM

Prediction...Gruden will coach at least 10 games at QualCOMM stadium in '13 and beyond..


Hell, brees might not be as accurate as manziel.

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#19 : August 21, 2012, 09:47:44 PM

Prediction...Gruden will coach at least 10 games at QualCOMM stadium in '13 and beyond..




Interesting.

Seems like more of an Eagles guy to me.


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#20 : August 21, 2012, 11:25:20 PM

Gruden would win  super bowls with the Eagles, he could dump vick and start foles, a real qb



Just one problem, the big man is not ready to retire.


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#21 : August 22, 2012, 12:39:13 AM

Gruden was best suited as an OC. He could never develop a loyalty with his players. Not one Buccaneer stood up for him when he was fired. Great coaches inspire loyalty in their players. Gruden never could. He flat out lied to Warren Sapp. Nobody trusted anything he said and most were happy to see him go. He belongs in the broadcast booth. He should stay there. Al Davis built a team for him in Oakland, and Dungy/Kiffin/McKay handed him another in Tampa. He was handed the Defense to defeat an offense he knew inside and out. He had an advantage no other HC has had in the history of the NFL. That was his last playoff victory.

Jon Gruden could coach for another thirty years and never again come close to a conference championship, forget about a Lombardi. Comparing him to the legends of the game is a joke. Gruden never built anything. You can't compare him to coaches who built dynasties or had successful careers that that lasted for decades. The only thing Gruden loves more than a mirror is a camera with a red light that's on.

The Bucs don't have that trophy without him. I thank him for that, but I don't thank him for what followed and the sorry shape he left the team in.

I believe Schiano will be trusted and respected by this team. I believe he can and will build a contender in Tampa. I know what he did for all of north Jersey, not just the team. He inspired the community, not just the school. He was the Joe Paterno of Rutgers, except that he would never cover up a scandle like Paterno did. In time maybe a legitimate comparison can be made of a Buccaneer coach to the coaching legends of the past, but it certainly won't be Gruden.

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#22 : August 22, 2012, 01:41:02 AM

Players also stuck up for Raheem. What does that tell you?
That you are a Saints fan now cHAZMONEY.


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#23 : August 22, 2012, 01:47:57 AM

^

you really believe that garbage?
I believe that garbage.

It was already cracked by JDub.  Traitor.


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#24 : August 22, 2012, 01:56:08 AM

I highly doubt chaz$ would like the saints. just sayin
Well I highly doubt the ludicrous story as well.

Either way, this issue has serious problems.  It all starts with you, whoever the fug you are.


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#25 : August 22, 2012, 02:00:22 AM

Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy.

FALSE.    I saw the Bucs America's game.   Sapp says about Dungy "I love the man, but it was time for him to go since he wasn't getting it done.   Gruden got us over the hump."


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#26 : August 22, 2012, 02:10:55 AM

Don't worry I doubt i'll stay much longer, i think i've over stayed my welcome here.

No more than Boid has.


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#27 : August 22, 2012, 03:04:29 AM

I don't have HBO and sorry I am missing this episode.
Gruden was the greatest HC the Bucs ever had....Thank you Jon for the Super Bowl Trophy being in Tampa.

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#28 : August 22, 2012, 09:49:46 AM

Prediction...Gruden will coach at least 10 games at QualCOMM stadium in '13 and beyond..




Interesting.

Seems like more of an Eagles guy to me.
He said he's waiting for the right opportunity. And I can guarantee you, that if the Cowboys do not secure a layoff berth this year, Jason Garrett is gone. Jerry Jones is that type of blood-sucking, demon goblin to do that even if they were to go 10-6. Which is possible with the Giants and Eagles in that division.

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#29 : August 22, 2012, 09:52:04 AM

Warren Sapp even attributed the win to Dungy.

FALSE.    I saw the Bucs America's game.   Sapp says about Dungy "I love the man, but it was time for him to go since he wasn't getting it done.   Gruden got us over the hump."

Sapp flip flops more than a pancake flapper.

False? When even in his own book he accredited that to Dungy? He does flop,I'll give you that. But the man never liked Gruden. He flops more often towards the dungy train.
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