The Official 2012 Presidential Election Obama v. Romney Thread

[CBWx2]

You are claiming that you can't support the president because he's a liar, when there hasn't been a president ever to serve office that hasn't lied about something.

Weren't you the one going on and on about Romney being a liar, which brought on the Wiener fan/supporter fiasco?

More hypocrisy.

Do you actually think this crap out before you type it? Romney is a liar, of epic proportions, but did I say I'm not voting for Romney because he lied in the debate?

You cannot be serious.

Try to follow here Biggs. That comment was referencing Bayfisher's comment that he cannot support Obama because he is a liar. If you care to look back at the post about Romney, I believe I stated that all politicians lie, but Romney was a liar of epic proportions. It was in reference to his debate performance, not to whether or not I would vote for him. Bayfisher saying he cannot support Obama because he is a liar and voting for Romney, who is also a liar, is hypocrisy. Me saying that all politicians lie, so I'm voting for the liar who is more in line with my political ideology is not hypocrisy. Honestly, this is not complicated stuff. If you weren't so busy trying to play "Gotcha", maybe you would actually have something meaningful to contribute.

[CBWx2]

I will own the condescension due to my nature and low opinion of your intellectually dishonest, circular rhetoric, but the brevity can be attributed to a RAZR keyboard and giant thumbs.

The intellectual dishonesty goes further than just me on this MB, Luminous. In regards to our last argument, perhaps you should look in the mirror.

[Chief Joseph]

In regards to all of your arguments, perhaps you should spend less time looking in the mirror.

[Bayfisher]

Sounds like your beliefs line up almost perfectly with Gary Johnson . I strongly urge you to reconsider the "wasted vote" philosophy. That is exactly what the two parties want you to believe , and exactly why we have this endless cycle of dildos in office. If everyone just stopped and realized it's not a waste to vote outside the two party structure , in fact it's the the only way NOT to waste your vote , this country would finally begin to have REAL choices. 

Any vote R or O is a vote for status quo.

Had I not seen what happened to Ross Perot I would be inclined to believe you.  Voting for a third party will make no difference.  It didn't make a difference then and it won't this year. It is a wasted vote with the status how it is.  No amount of third party votes is going to change when the corruption is as deep as it is. 

[CBWx2]

In regards to all of your arguments, perhaps you should spend less time looking in the mirror.

You're right. I should just accept the opposing viewpoint as truth and abandon my own positions. That's what you conservatives do, right?

[Chief Joseph]

Can't speak for the conservatives, not actually being one.

[VinBucFan]

I will own the condescension due to my nature and low opinion of your intellectually dishonest, circular rhetoric, but the brevity can be attributed to a RAZR keyboard and giant thumbs.

The intellectual dishonesty goes further than just me on this MB, Luminous. In regards to our last argument, perhaps you should look in the mirror.

Nice to see you admit to your intellectually dishonesty, even if delivered in a "I know I am but what are you" fashion.

[CBWx2]

Can't speak for the conservatives, not actually being one.

Yeah, sure you aren't...

[John Galt?]

I will own the condescension due to my nature and low opinion of your intellectually dishonest, circular rhetoric, but the brevity can be attributed to a RAZR keyboard and giant thumbs.

Don't know why but that made me laugh

[John Galt?]

And for the record all these labels (left/right winger, conservative, liberal, progressive, socialist, etc.) are really stupid. Hardly anyone accepts either candidate's platforms 100%. For instance, I liked Paul's foreign policy the best of any of them but I despised his economic views. I like some of Romney's economic ideas but not others, and I definitely disagree with most the Rs regarding abortion and gay marriage.

Generally speaking I tend to vote against incumbents regardless of party or I voted based on track record. Obama's record certainly does not warrant a 2nd term.

[CBWx2]

I tend to vote for candidates that aren't plutocrats, which immediately disqualifies about 99.9% of the Republican Party.

[John Galt?]

I tend to vote for candidates that aren't plutocrats, which immediately disqualifies about 99.9% of the Republican Party.

and 99.999% of the Democrats.

Heck isn't the Democratic party's slogan "We are smarter than you so we know what is best for you" ??

[CBWx2]

I tend to vote for candidates that aren't plutocrats, which immediately disqualifies about 99.9% of the Republican Party.

and 99.999% of the Democrats.

How can Democrats be engaging in class warfare against the rich and be plutocrats?

[CBWx2]

Heck isn't the Democratic party's slogan "We are smarter than you so we know what is best for you" ??

Nah, that's the Libertarian party's slogan.

[John Galt?]

I tend to vote for candidates that aren't plutocrats, which immediately disqualifies about 99.9% of the Republican Party.

and 99.999% of the Democrats.

How can Democrats be engaging in class warfare against the rich and be plutocrats?

Who said the Ds are at war with the Rich?? They are only at war with the other side's (Rs) rich. They don't have any problem with billionaires at Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Walgreens, George Soros, Warren Buffett, etc. In fact, many 1% ers from those companies now hold cabinet positions. They just are against Oil money, coal money, or anyone "self made" that doesn't agree with them.