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#60 : April 23, 2013, 02:18:29 PM

significantly safer.

lot of lives in that word


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#61 : April 23, 2013, 02:21:51 PM

There is a barrier in place like there is a wall preventing illegal aliens from coming in from Mexico.   ::)

 If you put a lock on one barn door, but leave the other door wide open, the barn isnt secure.  simple as that.  Ask Al Queda.  There is an American, now part of Al Queda, who published a video about the gun loophole.

will criminal still be able to get guns?  Yes . . . . but so will LAW ABIDING CITIZENS
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#62 : April 23, 2013, 02:25:02 PM

And that is what feeds the argument that such legislation is advertised to be of help in preventing the crimes - while in essence it will keep honest people honest isn't it? 

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#63 : April 23, 2013, 02:25:37 PM

There is a barrier in place, there are just ways around the barrier and there will be ways around the barrier even if the background checks are expanded.   Just like there are ways for high school kids to get their hands on alcohol if they like.

When they start having legally sanctioned "beer and liquor shows" in which 16 year olds can go to a convention center and buy beer and liquor by the case in complete disregard of the legal drinking age, then maybe we'd have ourselves a true equivalency here.


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#64 : April 23, 2013, 02:28:07 PM

The equivalency is that making a 30 year old prove they are old enough to buy alcohol isn't keeping 16 year olds from getting their hands on it.

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#65 : April 23, 2013, 02:29:57 PM

And that is what feeds the argument that such legislation is advertised to be of help in preventing the crimes - while in essence it will keep honest people honest isn't it?

It will make things more diffcult for criminals too.  There is a reason we do not sell ready-made pressure cooker bombs at WalMart.  Can some one make one? Yes, but it makes sense to make it more difficult.  Right now there is NO barrier to buying a gun. I could get my cousin who has a felony conviction and go online and he could buy an AR-15

by the way, guns are alos used in crimes of passion and in suicides, making it tougher -- while not unreasonably trampling rights -- is simple common sense
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#66 : April 23, 2013, 02:30:41 PM

And that is what feeds the argument that such legislation is advertised to be of help in preventing the crimes - while in essence it will keep honest people honest isn't it?

I really don't see it as anything more than someone trying to say we are doing something.

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#67 : April 23, 2013, 02:32:38 PM

The equivalency is that making a 30 year old prove they are old enough to buy alcohol isn't keeping 16 year olds from getting their hands on it.

It isn't? If you were a 16 year old that wanted to drink and got wind that the local liquor store didn't card, would you still look for "back alley" ways to get beer, or would you just buy it from the local store that you know doesn't card?


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#68 : April 23, 2013, 02:33:04 PM

There is a barrier in place, there are just ways around the barrier and there will be ways around the barrier even if the background checks are expanded.   Just like there are ways for high school kids to get their hands on alcohol if they like.

When they start having legally sanctioned "beer and liquor shows" in which 16 year olds can go to a convention center and buy beer and liquor by the case in complete disregard of the legal drinking age, then maybe we'd have ourselves a true equivalency here.

I wont even say "I hate to say it"  but CBW is right with his analogy.


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#69 : April 23, 2013, 02:33:14 PM

And your cousin with the felony conviction will be able to get someone without a felony conviction to buy him one anyway or get one from the street instead of online.  And I love trying to spin the Boston Marathon bombing to support this, lol

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#70 : April 23, 2013, 02:35:31 PM

The equivalency is that making a 30 year old prove they are old enough to buy alcohol isn't keeping 16 year olds from getting their hands on it.

It isn't? If you were a 16 year old that wanted to drink and got wind that the local liquor store didn't card, would you still look for "back alley" ways to get beer, or would you just buy it from the local store that you know doesn't card?

What does it matter if the 16 year old is going to get it either way?

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#71 : April 23, 2013, 02:35:48 PM

And your cousin with the felony conviction will be able to get someone without a felony conviction to buy him one anyway or get one from the street instead of online.  And I love trying to spin the Boston Marathon bombing to support this, lol

maybe, so what we should do is just suspend ALL laws.  . . .  . All kids can drink, anyone can drink and drive, bombs can ber sold on the Internet,  no seat belts, open immigration, no government at all .  . .BECAUSE that is what we do in this country we dont take any reasonable measures for safety  ::)


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#72 : April 23, 2013, 02:36:48 PM

The equivalency is that making a 30 year old prove they are old enough to buy alcohol isn't keeping 16 year olds from getting their hands on it.

It isn't? If you were a 16 year old that wanted to drink and got wind that the local liquor store didn't card, would you still look for "back alley" ways to get beer, or would you just buy it from the local store that you know doesn't card?

What does it matter if the 16 year old is going to get it either way?


haha. just got done typing this:

And your cousin with the felony conviction will be able to get someone without a felony conviction to buy him one anyway or get one from the street instead of online.  And I love trying to spin the Boston Marathon bombing to support this, lol

maybe, so what we should do is just suspend ALL laws.  . . .  . All kids can drink, anyone can drink and drive, bombs can ber sold on the Internet,  no seat belts, open immigration, no government at all .  . .BECAUSE that is what we do in this country we dont take any reasonable measures for safety  ::)


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#73 : April 23, 2013, 02:37:39 PM

More importantly, this is being played up to help prevent things like Sandy Hook or Aurora, etc but tragedies like that are not going to be stopped by expanding background checks.

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#74 : April 23, 2013, 02:38:34 PM

And that is what feeds the argument that such legislation is advertised to be of help in preventing the crimes - while in essence it will keep honest people honest isn't it?

It will make things more diffcult for criminals too.  There is a reason we do not sell ready-made pressure cooker bombs at WalMart.  Can some one make one? Yes, but it makes sense to make it more difficult.  Right now there is NO barrier to buying a gun. I could get my cousin who has a felony conviction and go online and he could buy an AR-15

by the way, guns are alos used in crimes of passion and in suicides, making it tougher -- while not unreasonably trampling rights -- is simple common sense
Difficult is an overly strong description.  Not even annoying - just changing the marketplace a bit.  Now - rather than talking about pressure cookers, let's just agree making it a little bit more difficult as you said is the maximum benefit of this proposal.  Because when this law is passed your cousin the felon will only be changing his marketplace.  And every law abiding citizen who wants the gun of their choice will now be following and extended path that will do nothing more than extend paperwork and time investments for honest people. 

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