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#15 : September 08, 2012, 10:26:35 AM

TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT TROLL ALERT


Thanks for unmasking yourself......knew it  ALL ALONG!!!!!

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#16 : September 08, 2012, 10:45:23 AM

OK..................JOSH FREEMAN.............Last 9 games he played in  209-332   62.0%    2133 yards     11 TD's  16 INT's      RECORD  ( 0-9)

                         TIM TEBOW                      Last 9 games he played in 120-269    44%      1581 YARDS   1O TD'S   6 INTS'S  RECORD   ( 6-3)


DEBATE  ENDS WITH  THE SCOREBOARD AT 0:00  IN THE FOURTH QUARTER ...............SCOREBOARD AND WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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#17 : September 08, 2012, 11:02:01 AM

OK..................JOSH FREEMAN.............Last 9 games he played in  209-332   62.0%    2133 yards     11 TD's  16 INT's      RECORD  ( 0-9)

                         TIM TEBOW                      Last 9 games he played in 120-269    44%      1581 YARDS   1O TD'S   6 INTS'S  RECORD   ( 6-3)


DEBATE  ENDS WITH  THE SCOREBOARD AT 0:00  IN THE FOURTH QUARTER ...............SCOREBOARD AND WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good post


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#18 : September 08, 2012, 11:13:51 AM

Dan Pastoriini lost 21 starts in a row after he was a rookie, the longest losing streak for an NFL quarterback.


True.   But he didn't start those 21 in a row.  They tried Kent Nix and Lynn **CENSORED**ey at QB in between.   Pastorini started 12 out of 14 in 1972 and 10 out of 14 in 1973.    The Oilers only won 1 game both of those years.   Perhaps the most pathetic team I've ever seen.  The funny thing was the 1 game they won in 73, Pastorini did not start.   

That was a cool post though.   I did like Pastorini.   He wasn't a great QB, but he had guts.

 Considering several of the games Pastorini didn't start at QB (in '72 he was also the punter and played every game as such) because of injury (three years running from '71 to '73 Pastorini broke the record for being sacked the most in a season, once getting sacked 15 times in a game his rookie year - protocol in Oiler's huddles was for a lineman to say "I'm Sorry" to Dan for the previous play), it fits your narrative. **CENSORED**ey's winning start was due to Pastorini being hurt - and in the next game he was benched for Pastorini who ended up getting dinged up again.

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#19 : September 08, 2012, 11:32:51 AM

Pastorini always seemed to be getting hurt.   He did take a beating and those Oilers teams had almost zero talent.   I remember he played with broken ribs wearing a flak jacket in the playoffs.   I liked him because even though he took a beating, he'd still run and dive for first downs.  Dude was a competitor.    He also dated Farrah so that's a feather in his cap.


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#20 : September 08, 2012, 11:37:59 AM



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#21 : September 08, 2012, 01:14:12 PM

John Fox vs. Raheem Morris

Denver's defense vs. Buc's defense

Denver's talent vs. Buc's talent

Denver's depth vs. buc's depth

Denver's unconventional offensive game plan vs. Olsen predictable game plan

And yet I am amazed that people are able to pick out the "K" or "constant" in the equation as Josh Freeman. Since equations are that easy to people, NASA could probable use that talent. I would definitely apply. Job are hard to come by these days. Especially high paying jobs.

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#22 : September 08, 2012, 01:26:18 PM

Pathetic bashing or not 22 int's and losing 10 in a row would get most QB's pulled. The issue is we have no competition at QB. If we had a real back up here who had won some real games in the NFL, perhaps you sit Josh a game last year.

Those losses were not totally on Freeman, there were games he played well enough to win. Here are the games:

11/06 New Orleans 27-37 281 yards 1TD 0INTs
11/20 Green Bay 28-38 342 yards 2TD 2INTs (both were on the receivers)
12/17 Dallas 17-27 148 yards 1TD 0INTs (offensive line played terrible that game)
12/24 Carolina 28-38 274 yards 1TD 1INTs
01/01 Atlanta 31-45 274 yards 2TD 3INTs (two interceptions were on Winslow)

Four of the 9 games that he played in - he played well enough for the team to win. Yes he threw 22 interceptions, but at least a third of those were on the receivers for running the wrong route, not running a good route or letting the ball bounce off their hands and into the hands of the defender.

Freeman WAS NOT the problem last season that he is made out to be. Lack of discipline, too many penalties, inferior play calling and the fact that the offense was playing from behind all the time lead to many of those losses. I've watched many of those games on NFL Rewind as I'm sure the coaching staff has done and that's the primary reason Winslow isn't here this season and while we made getting Nicks and Jackson a priority.

Freeman didn't play well last season, but neither did a lot of guys. Those 10 losses were a group effort and to think otherwise is stupid IMO.

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No surprise that Java just ignored this post.


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#23 : September 08, 2012, 02:06:02 PM

OK..................JOSH FREEMAN.............Last 9 games he played in  209-332   62.0%    2133 yards     11 TD's  16 INT's      RECORD  ( 0-9)

                         TIM TEBOW                      Last 9 games he played in 120-269    44%      1581 YARDS   1O TD'S   6 INTS'S  RECORD   ( 6-3)


DEBATE  ENDS WITH  THE SCOREBOARD AT 0:00  IN THE FOURTH QUARTER ...............SCOREBOARD AND WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Denver didn't have arguably one of the worst defenses in the history of the franchise. Denver had the best running game in the NFL. Denver didn't have to play in the powerhouse that is the NFC South. Tebow was a pawn in an established team. You put Freeman on that team and they easily win more games.

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#24 : September 08, 2012, 02:08:08 PM

"You put Freeman on that team and they lose all of their games."

True statement


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#25 : September 08, 2012, 02:13:58 PM

"You put Freeman on that team and they lose all of their games."

True statement

I'll have to admit Java. That was amazingly clever manipulation of my words. You so unexpectedly changed my positive statement of Freeman into more troll bashing. Unexpected. Kudos.

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#26 : September 08, 2012, 02:21:05 PM

I'm curious what your definition of a troll is.    You think saying anything negative about any player on the Bucs is being a troll?    If so, then everyone on here is a troll.


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#27 : September 08, 2012, 02:37:54 PM

Excuses excuses excuses.


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#28 : September 08, 2012, 03:05:44 PM

We have the easiest going fan base in the league.  No serious criticism of Freeman.  Hell there were a handful of people that wanted to keep Morris.

Dang S&B, at least Dred Scott count 'em 60%!

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#29 : September 08, 2012, 03:08:46 PM

AST.

Who knew how good it would feel as a fan when we now know what it\'s like for our team to have a direction, an attitude, and dare I say an offense?.  

Good time to be a Bucs fan.
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