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« : September 15, 2012, 12:13:05 PM »

Extremists don't speak for Libya - CNN.com
By Noman Benotman , Special to CNN
updated 4:34 PM EDT, Thu September 13, 2012
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Editor's note: Noman Benotman is president of Quilliam Foundation, a counter-extremism group in London. He is a former leader of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, a jihadist organization that fought against Moammar Gadhafi's regime in the 1990s. After resigning from L.I.F.G. in 2002, he became a prominent critic of jihadist and Islamist violence.

(CNN) -- The Obama administration may very well be right that the attack in Benghazi which claimed the lives of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other U.S. officials was part of a pre-planned terrorist operation. It would have happened sooner or later regardless of any protests against an obscure anti-Islam film made in America.

The attack apparently occurred because in recent days, the al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri posted a video online calling on Libyans to avenge the killing of al-Qaeda's second in command, Abu Yahya al-Libi.

According to our own sources at Quilliam Foundation, the attack was the work of roughly 20 militants prepared for a military assault. It is rare, for example, that an RPG7 -- an anti-tank rocket-propelled grenade launcher -- would be present at a civilian protest. The attack against the consulate had two waves. The first attack led to U.S. officials being evacuated from the consulate by Libyan security forces, only for the second wave to be launched against U.S. officials after they were kept at a secure location.

News: How the Benghazi attack unfolded

Jihadists will want the world to believe that the attack is just a part of the protests against an amateur film produced in the U.S., which includes crude insults regarding the Prophet Mohammed. They will want the world to think that their actions represent a popular Libyan and wider Muslim reaction; thus, reversing the perception of jihadists being outcasts from their own societies. Since there were similar protests in Egypt against the film, it is possible that more protests may erupt in Muslim-majority countries such as Pakistan and Afghanistan.

The jihadists may also feel that by killing U.S. citizens, they will win the support of local populations. They are wrong.


Who are the jihadists in Libya?
This attack was committed by a small group of extremists who do not represent the Libyan population. They seek to destroy any reconstruction attempts in my mother country. As often is the case, extremists try to take advantage of the absence of security in a country that has just gotten out of a civil war. They try so hard to destabilize the peace that the majority of the population have fought so hard to establish.


Libya struggling to deal with militants
Ambassador Stevens himself was well known for advocating peace and stability in Libya. The recent election results in the country are testament to his conviction that Libya can achieve progress. That Libyans did not vote the radicals into office in the elections proves that Libya is not a nation of extremists. The extremists' response to their electoral defeat comes in a language they relish: Violence.


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Obama: 'Justice will be done'
The attack on the U.S. consulate is a truly tragic event. Libya has lost one of the few foreign figures that really sought to invest time and energy into our country and believed in its future. Ambassador Stevens was one of a select number of international public figures based in Libya, who had refused to give up on Libya and its deteriorating security situation in recent months. He was an extremely successful envoy, who traveled the country to meet with all groups of Libyan society, and did not confine himself to international circles in the capital. No village or town was too far, and he was always keen to understand local customs. His death is a loss not just for Americans, but for many Libyans.

I hope that the Libyan government will take this time to reflect on the security vacuum in the country, in particular around Benghazi, and rebuild the defense and security sectors in an accountable, professional and responsible manner. I also hope that Libyan authorities will look to revise their policy of disarmament, demobilization and reintegration (DDR) so that the situation on the ground can be improved.

Opinion: Libya killings show U.S. at risk in Arab world

We have welcomed the international community into our country, and I know that we want to continue our collaboration with the NATO community and member states, including, and especially, with the United States. These countries helped free us from the tyrannical rule of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who was in power for 42 years. Many Libyans are forever grateful to America for its support in freeing our country from dictatorship.

This attack does not reflect the attitude of the Libyan population. For the international community, withdrawal of support from Libya will only play directly into the hands of jihadists, and that is the opposite of what we should do.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Noman Benotman.

© 2012 Cable News Network. Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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« #1 : September 15, 2012, 12:29:17 PM »

But wait, before you post the video again.... there could be more....

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« #2 : September 15, 2012, 12:51:19 PM »

Justice witll be done. What does that mean Obama, considering you and Hillary forced Mubarek out of control......Now  look what you have, you freakin' idealogs.

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« #3 : September 15, 2012, 01:02:13 PM »

So another editorial stating that the murderous sons of a **CENSORED**es are not really representative of the Libyan people? Just like the murderous sons of a **CENSORED**es aren't representative of the people of Iraq, or Egypt, Yemen, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Libya, Palestine etc,etc and none of these murderous sons of a **CENSORED**es are representative of the people of Islam. Just how many people do they have to kill before they do representative of Islam?

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« #4 : September 15, 2012, 02:41:05 PM »

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This attack was committed by a small group of extremists who do not represent the Libyan population. They seek to destroy any reconstruction attempts in my mother country. As often is the case, extremists try to take advantage of the absence of security in a country that has just gotten out of a civil war. They try so hard to destabilize the peace that the majority of the population have fought so hard to establish.


This is the truth. These radicals/terrorists seek out and lust for power vacuums. Places where order and stability are in jeopardy. There was no Al Qaida in Iraq before Hussein was overthrown nor were they in Egypt or Libya before there govts. were toppled. We need to stop toppling govts. unless there is a clear and quick plan to replace them. Often a bad dictator >>> no leader and chaos.


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« #5 : September 15, 2012, 02:47:48 PM »

The Arab spring is what it is JG?  And as for the quote - I would offer to re-word it so it says a small group of violent extremists whose actions are accepted by a larger group of extremists who don't give two **CENSORED**s about the murder of Americans for just about any reason. 

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« #6 : September 15, 2012, 05:55:39 PM »

"Arab Spring" is something purely created by the Media (like 90% of the news). The only surprise in all of this was the regime change in Egypt, which has historically been pretty stable. Libya, Syria, Tunisia,  Iraq, et. al. have been notoriously tumultuous hotbeds for centuries. It is still in this modern day more about tribal/clan alliances than national, racial, or religious identity. "Arab Spring" implied a unifying movement among Arabs and North Africans but still 99% of the fighting is amongst themselves, it is just not played by the media until a US or European is involved.

The vast majority of Mid-Easterners are far too busy fighting amongst themselves to care about the US or the West. It is only when we stick our uninvited nose in it that some group decides to smack that nosy nose.


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« #7 : September 15, 2012, 06:08:12 PM »

It is only when we stick our uninvited nose in it that some group decides to smack that nosy nose.

How long is it going to take before we learn that lesson. That strategy is inherently flawed and does not work.
it's like watching the same movie over and over again and expecting a different ending.

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« #8 : September 15, 2012, 06:21:37 PM »

"Arab Spring" is something purely created by the Media (like 90% of the news). The only surprise in all of this was the regime change in Egypt, which has historically been pretty stable. Libya, Syria, Tunisia,  Iraq, et. al. have been notoriously tumultuous hotbeds for centuries. It is still in this modern day more about tribal/clan alliances than national, racial, or religious identity. "Arab Spring" implied a unifying movement among Arabs and North Africans but still 99% of the fighting is amongst themselves, it is just not played by the media until a US or European is involved.

The vast majority of Mid-Easterners are far too busy fighting amongst themselves to care about the US or the West. It is only when we stick our uninvited nose in it that some group decides to smack that nosy nose.

On the contrary I would propose that using the US as a punch bag to divert their illiterate, ignorant populations is a method to either distract and excuse their ineptitude, or distract and shore up their mechanisms of power.

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« #9 : September 15, 2012, 06:25:08 PM »

It is only when we stick our uninvited nose in it that some group decides to smack that nosy nose.

Bit naive coming from you JG.

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« #10 : September 15, 2012, 06:48:54 PM »

Blame the movie.
 
Blame the movie.
 
Blame the movie.
 
Even though "the movie" was on YouTube for months prior to the collective indignation of thousands of Middle Eastern Islamists all coming together on the eleventh anniversary of September 11th  (through a wild coincidence, no doubt), we are being told by our government and our media overlords that we must blame the movie.

You see, if we blame the movie for the burning of our foreign outposts and the brutal murders of four Americans (including our Libyan ambassador who was reportedly raped), we won't blame the burners and the looters and the murderers and the rapists.

You see, if we blame the movie for the Middle East burning, we won't blame the Islamists who are doing the burning and looting and raping and murdering.
 
Which means we won't further connect the dots and blame Obama's failed Middle East policy; the Obama Doctrine of backing away from the region and allowing events to unfold as America stands idly by -- as the Islamists in the Muslim Brotherhood grab hold of power in Egypt, a country that was once our largest and closest ally.

Blame the filmmaker. Hunt him. Out him. Demonize him. Burn the straw man!

And all at the direction of a president of the United States who has sworn to uphold the Constitution, you know, the same Constitution that treasures the right of free expression and speech above all else.

But no one asks … What about Bill Maher?  Bill Maher?
 
Bill Maher made a comedy/documentary called "Religulous" that's most famous for mercilessly mocking Christianity. But what people forget is that the last twenty-minutes or so of the film make a damning case against Islam.

Bill Maher made a film that mocked Islam. Oh, yes, he did. Bill Maher also contributed $1 million to a pro-Obama super PAC.

And I'm sure that upon being reminded of this, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton will tremble with self-righteous indignation and demand Maher take his money back. After all, if movies create the terrorists who in turn create the terrorism, what about Bill Maher?
 
And what if the terrorists learn that the president of the United States is benefitting from a million dollar contribution  given by a filmmaker who mocked Islam? How will Hillary Clinton claim with any credibility that the United States government has no connection to this outrage? How will White House spokesman Jay Carney say this with any credibility:
 
“The reason why there is unrest is because of the film,” he said at one point.  “This is in response to the film.”  At another moment, he said, “The cause of the unrest was a video.”  At yet another, “These protests were in reaction to a video that had spread to the region.”
 
And the lapdog media just can't stop humping a leg of lies.
 
It's weird, though, isn't it?

I mean, how Hollywood has been silent in its defense of the filmmaker Obama is currently scapegoating (and in some cases, Hollywood is grabbing a torch), even as they embrace Bill Maher.

Well, I guess some anti-Islamic filmmakers are more equal than others.

And thank heavens, we have Barack Obama to tell us who the more equal ones are.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/09/15/Obama-Contribution-Anti-Islam-Filmmaker

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« #11 : September 15, 2012, 07:27:40 PM »

"Arab Spring" is something purely created by the Media (like 90% of the news). The only surprise in all of this was the regime change in Egypt, which has historically been pretty stable. Libya, Syria, Tunisia,  Iraq, et. al. have been notoriously tumultuous hotbeds for centuries. It is still in this modern day more about tribal/clan alliances than national, racial, or religious identity. "Arab Spring" implied a unifying movement among Arabs and North Africans but still 99% of the fighting is amongst themselves, it is just not played by the media until a US or European is involved.

The vast majority of Mid-Easterners are far too busy fighting amongst themselves to care about the US or the West. It is only when we stick our uninvited nose in it that some group decides to smack that nosy nose.
If one opts to look at the Middle East over centuries there is frequent change.  Looking at the uprisings within a calendar year and there is a lot to be surprised about.  Seems to me those who weren't in love with Al Qaeda were the first to go.  Now we will see where the Muslim Brotherhood takes them from here.

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« #12 : September 16, 2012, 10:06:11 PM »

I just read that the trailer was posted on youtube  in July.  That throws a serious monkey wrench into the critical thinking of this situation.  There is something more sinister at work here.   

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« #13 : September 17, 2012, 03:12:20 AM »

They banned that muslim video in Indonesia and blocked it from being shown.    I even sent a link to it to my girlfriend on yahoo and the link is removed when she receives it.   


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« #14 : September 18, 2012, 01:31:09 PM »

We shouldn't  be forced to live on the same planet as those people.
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