The secret Romney tapes

[Bayfisher]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-17/today-mitt-romney-lost-the-election.html
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Politicians that tell the truth never make it far.

[Beatles123]

He's not wrong.

[blountforcetrauma]

If Romney wants to paint all democrats with the same brush, have him present some facts.
On the tape, Romney explains that his electoral strategy involves writing off nearly half the country as unmoveable Obama voters. As Romney explains, 47 percent of Americans "believe that they are victims." He laments: "I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

So what's the upshot? "My job is not to worry about those people," he says. He also notes, describing President Obama's base, "These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax."

So he states Obama voters don't pay income tax. This from the clownshoe that won't reveal what HE pays on his taxes. If he pays anything at all?

[Durango 95]

"Quick shut the door so I can bad mouth half the voters in the country".

This guy's a real piece of work.

[spartan]

Maybe he should have just told them to cling to their guns and religion behind closed doors?

The sad things is that much of what he says is true. I don't think that all 47% of non tax paying voters are in the tank for Obama, some would be happy to pay taxes, but, unfortunately a very large chunk of those people aren't and he is 100% correct. And, what's more, if you don't like what Romney just said, you must hate Obama's entire campaign because that is all he is saying, but from the other side of the coin.

[Durango 95]

Maybe he should have just told them to cling to their guns and religion behind closed doors?

The sad things is that much of what he says is true. I don't think that all 47% of non tax paying voters are in the tank for Obama, some would be happy to pay taxes, but, unfortunately a very large chunk of those people aren't and he is 100% correct. And, what's more, if you don't like what Romney just said, you must hate Obama's entire campaign because that is all he is saying, but from the other side of the coin.

Or maybe he should just say what he actually feels in public instead of doing it behind closed doors.

[spartan]

Or maybe he should just say what he actually feels in public instead of doing it behind closed doors.

Ha ha, nice one, but this is a politician. Maybe we should be grateful that he actually said what he really feels? When's that likely to happen again?

[ufojoe]

He chances of winning were slim to none before this. This just finalized it.

What a moron.

[ufojoe]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81326.html#ixzz26pEk6k51

First of all, it’s not “47 percent.”

At a secretly taped, closed-door fundraiser in May, Mitt Romney said 47 percent Americans don’t pay income tax and are unlikely to vote for him in November.

Half of those nonpayers earn too little to pay any taxes, and half of them get there through tax deductions and exemptions, according to the
Tax Policy Center. Of the latter half, 44 percent use tax deductions designed to help the elderly, and 30 percent use tax deductions that aid the working poor or children.

The Tax Policy Center uses a family of four earning less than $26,400 as an example. After the $11,600 standard deduction and four $3,700 exemptions, they have no taxable income.

But many of these people pay federal payroll and excise taxes, as well as state income taxes.

The ranks of those who don’t pay income tax has swelled because of unemployment and underemployment during the recession and the sputtering recovery. More than 13 million Americans are jobless.

Also driving an increase: tax policies pushed by Republicans. The Earned Income Tax Credit, greatly expanded by Ronald Reagan in the mid-1980s, is designed to give money back to low-income workers to increase their incentive to work. And a 2004 Tax Foundation study found the Bush-era tax cuts erased the income tax for 7.8 million families by lowering rates and doubling the child tax credit.

Not all of those avoiding income tax are poor, however. Even 4,000 people earning more than $1 million managed to not pay income taxes in 2011 because of deductions, according to the Tax Policy Center.

After video of Romney’s comments surfaced Monday, the former Massachusetts governor stood by his remarks but admitted they were not “elegantly stated.”

Romney’s comments also grouped together the 46 percent of Americans who don’t pay income tax with people who receive government benefits. According to The Wall Street Journal, 49 percent of Americans lived in a household where at least one member of the family received a government benefit in 2011. There’s not a perfect overlap between these two groups.

[tripblood]

Romney is a big frontin'-ass-republican. Dude, gets elected we'll all get Abortion discounts, and medical marijuana delivered to our houses

[spartan]

Ha Ha, now they have to "debunk" it? Sounds like someone hit a raw nerve.

[ufojoe]

Sounds like someone just realized his candidate is dead in the water. Nothing really new there.

That's what happens when you support a party blindly.

[CBWx2]

Maybe he should have just told them to cling to their guns and religion behind closed doors?

The sad things is that much of what he says is true. I don't think that all 47% of non tax paying voters are in the tank for Obama, some would be happy to pay taxes, but, unfortunately a very large chunk of those people aren't and he is 100% correct.

Your numbers are off, first of all. about 14% of Americans pay no taxes, not 47%. The people Mittens is referring to are people who pay no Federal Income tax, which, the reason that they don't is because they don't make enough money to.

Secondly, started right about all those 47% don't vote for Obama, but what you left out was that the majority of them are probably likely to vote for Romney (or at least they were before he told them all he didn't care about them). The fact of the matter is that blue states are actually the ones who are primarily funding all the other ones.

Take a look at this map of states and their Federal tax burdens. What should leap out to you is the number of red states that pay negative income taxes, meaning that they actually receive more federal dollars than they pay in, and the number of blue states that pay positive income taxes, meaning that they pay more in taxes than they get back:



White, rural voters generally speaking do not make enough money to pay income taxes, and ironically, are majority Republican voters. What Mittens essentially did was tell about half of his base that he didn't care about them. Not smart.

[spartan]

When we talk about paying Federal Taxes it is generally accepted we are talking about Federal Income taxes. Those who include payroll taxes are generally attempting to ignore the topic matter and divert the conversation. Essentially what you are doing and what I was saying in the other thread. if you want to discuss the subject matter Romney was talking about, fine, if not, whatever!

Edit: Oh yea, SS, medicare et al aren't taxes didn't you know, they're "contributions."

[CBWx2]

if you want to discuss the subject matter Romney was talking about, fine, if not, whatever!

Okay fine. What about the second part of my comment?