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#90 : September 19, 2012, 03:38:14 PM

There are two - which one - cbs says this "True or false? Much of Romney's statement relies on assumptions about one demographic: The 47 percent of Americans who he says "pay no income tax." So is it true that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income tax? Essentially, yes, according to the the Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. " and the guardian notes the same info obtained from Government data. 


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#91 : September 19, 2012, 03:41:51 PM

There are two - which one - cbs says this "True or false? Much of Romney's statement relies on assumptions about one demographic: The 47 percent of Americans who he says "pay no income tax." So is it true that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income tax? Essentially, yes, according to the the Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. " and the guardian notes the same info obtained from Government data.

No one is disputing the amount of people who pay no income tax. What's being disputed is Romney's characterization of those individuals.


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#92 : September 19, 2012, 04:00:41 PM

Even those 2 articles you quote had to nuance the **CENSORED** out of it to fit their narrative. Like yourself they followed the line of:

"If when he said income taxes he actually meant income taxes then what he said is true, but if when he said income taxes he really meant ..... then ........"

That's not what they said at all. You are trying to create your own narrative to fit your own characterization of his words. Not surprising. Not convincing either.

The part you are referencing is simply stating that the people he characterized as paying no income tax and mooch off the system actually do pay other taxes. And the article is simply separating that 47% that Mittens, and you apparently, choose to lump together and inaccurately characterize into their actual demographic. You know this of course. No need for me to point it out to you. But go ahead and keep playing the loyal soldier.

Your right, sorry, they said this:

"Romney's headline assertion that 47% of Americans pay no income tax is almost correct, assuming he was referring to federal income tax. "

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"The 47 percent of Americans who he says "pay no income tax." So is it true that 47 percent of Americans don't pay income tax? Essentially, yes, according to the the Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes."
: September 19, 2012, 04:02:57 PM spartan

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#93 : September 19, 2012, 04:14:49 PM


So if you go by what he actually said, it's true. But if you rely on "interpretations" that changes.

Hmm. Weird.

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#94 : September 19, 2012, 04:22:07 PM

The democrats main strategy for securing votes has always been to have people locked into a cycle of dependency from the government .

Just watch the ads on TV. Why do you think over half the commercials Obama is running right now are scare tactics telling people Romney is going to take away one entitlement or another . ( Even though the truth of the matter is a Romney presidency wouldn't cut much at all from the status quo ).   He's currently trying to scare everyone from old people to college students. Why ? It's because the Dems know what Romney says is true also.

Whether you think that is insensitive , and the welfare state is justified , is a totally different debate. What Romney said is still true. The fact is there is a large portion of Americans who are now dependent on one federal program or another , and will vote against anyone who may threaten this ( especially considering they don't have to help pay for it ) . Good news for the Democrats , bad news for the national debt.
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#95 : September 19, 2012, 09:59:28 PM


So if you go by what he actually said, it's true. But if you rely on "interpretations" that changes.

Hmm. Weird.
"characterizations" I believe are the bugaboo. 

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#96 : September 20, 2012, 11:00:14 AM

Yes, Romney "characterized" the people who don't pay income taxes as victims who are dependant on the government and won't take responsibility for their lives.

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