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« : September 19, 2012, 04:28:15 PM »

I don't understand how we didn't have more protection in the passing game with the protection Free received from the Oline this week.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1338863-whats-wrong-with-the-new-york-giants-pass-rush

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What's Wrong with the New York Giants' Pass Rush?   
By Brad Gagnon (NFC East Lead Writer) on September 18, 2012


If not for the dominant play they got from their pass rush, the New York Giants wouldn't be reigning Super Bowl champions.

The Giants started 7-7, averaging 2.6 sacks per game during those first 14 games. But they won six straight to finish the year, with the final victory coming against New England in Super Bowl XLVI. During that stretch, Big Blue averaged 3.7 sacks per game.


They also didn't have Osi Umenyiora for seven games during the regular season. Without Umenyiora, they still managed to average 2.7 sacks a game, but with him they had 3.1 sacks per outing.

That's why it's surprising that, with Umenyiora and Justin Tuck healthy and Jason Pierre-Paul continuing to be a huge presence, the Giants have just four sacks in two games this season.


Only 12 teams have taken down opposing quarterbacks less often. And the pass rush as a whole, which received a 17.4 rating (seventh in the league) from Pro Football Focus last season, is ranked 18th early on this year by PFF with a minus-1.4 rating.

The problem certainly hasn't been Pierre-Paul, who's rated as the second-best 4-3 defensive end in football by PFF. He only has one sack thus far, but JPP has nine hurries.


But Tuck and Umenyiora have been ghosts early on. Neither of those players has hit the quarterback once, and Tuck has yet to register a single hurry. Tuck is ranked dead last among 41 eligible 4-3 ends in terms of pass-rushing productivity, per PFF.

Against the Bucs Sunday, they hit Josh Freeman five times, registered just two sacks and had only eight hurries. From that perspective, it was their worst showing since they were held without a sack against New Orleans in Week 12 last season.

It seemed like all day long Josh Freeman was getting clean pockets like this one, which he enjoyed on a third down on the Bucs' very first drive. I've highlighted Tuck and Umenyiora, who are both being manhandled:


 That allowed Freeman hit Vincent Jackson on a 41-yard deep ball.
On the next Tampa Bay drive, same deal. Again, Tuck and Umenyiora are highlighted:


 The Giants did have two sacks in the first half, but neither came as a result of sheer pressure from the team's world-famous four-man rush. The first came as a result of a a heavy blitz. On that play, Perry Fewell's defense sent six, overloading the weak side and getting to Freeman on his blind side. Linebacker Chase Blackburn was credited with the takedown.
And the only sack a defensive end has registered all season came in the second quarter, but it was arguably more of a coverage sack for Jason Pierre-Paul. As you can see below, the Bucs did a good job against a four-man rush, but New York's coverage was fantastic and Freeman's drop was shallow.

 It took JPP nearly five seconds to get through, and Freeman—for whatever reason—had yet to take action one way or the other. He should have taken off or gotten rid of it already, but Pierre-Paul finally did take him down.

 But after that, the Giants wouldn't record a sack for the final 40 minutes of the game.
Time and again, Tuck was handled easily by a single blocker. Here, he's being dominated by Tampa Bay right tackle Demar Dotson. (Also, Pierre-Paul can't bust through a one-on-one matchup in blue).

 And when they did blitz, they rarely executed. Here, Jacquian Williams was too early. Freeman identified it, the offensive line held up and he found single coverage. This would result in a touchdown pass to Vincent Jackson, who's beating his man at the bottom of the shot.


 What had to be most disappointing was the rush's failure to get heat on third downs. The Bucs were only 2-for-10 in those situations, but that had more to do with offensive inadequacy and decent coverage from New York than it did the pass rush.
Take a look at Freeman's pocket on a 3rd-and-8 early in the third quarter. Umenyiora's in black, Tuck's in blue.

 The only reason that didn't go for six points was because Antrel Rolle had good coverage in the end zone.
Fourth quarter now. Game on the line and a 3rd-and-7. Freeman has all day.

 The problem is that he again didn't have much to work with down the field. This shot of him finally releasing comes a full six seconds after the snap:


 A few seconds prior, Freeman was surveying the field in a fairly comfortable pocket. Pierre-Paul (red) was recovering after being chipped off the line of scrimmage. Tuck (blue) was getting roughed up by Carl Nicks. Umenyiora (black) was being handled easily by Donald Penn.


 Here's another angle of Tuck and JPP getting taken care of on that play:


 The Giants again had good coverage there, but they couldn't hold on forever. It would lead to a first-down completion.
Usually, though, the offensive line was giving Freeman tons of time, even on blitzes. He simply failed to take advantage, and New York's pass coverage appeared to be much better than it was against Dallas. Corey Webster and Justin Tryon had some issues, but Michael Coe, Rolle and rookie Jayron Hosley held up well.

Even late, when clutch defensive players like these guys usually step up, they let Freeman have far too many opportunities.

Down by seven in the final few minutes, this is what Freeman dealt with on back-to-back snaps:


 
 That second shot was taken a full four seconds after the snap. That protection gave Freeman enough time to throw a game-tying touchdown pass to Mike Williams.
This is another look at Freeman's sweet pocket, with JPP (red) rolling off a chip and about to hit more obstacles and Umenyiora being locked down in blue.


 I actually have about 15 more screen shots just like those. It was laughable.
The question is whether the three-headed monster is simply off to a slow start or if they're beginning to slow in general. JPP's a stud, but he's much less effective when Tuck and Umenyiora are struggling. Those guys are 29 and 30, respectively, and might be beginning to decline.

If that's the case, the Giants will be in big trouble.

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« #1 : September 19, 2012, 04:33:09 PM »

Great shots.  I've posted repeatedly how pleasantly surprised with the performance of the OL vs. the Giants pass-rush.  They did a great job, and didn't need any excuses to do it.


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« #2 : September 19, 2012, 04:36:21 PM »

We live in a great time when fans can capture and post screen shots like these so easily. And, yes, the big guys did a good job in pass protection.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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« #3 : September 19, 2012, 04:39:34 PM »

Cool find youngbull.

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« #4 : September 19, 2012, 04:43:06 PM »

They did do a pretty nice job. I couldnt complain about them this week. Another reason they should have let Freeman do his thing all day. Hes showing hes more and more capable to do it lately. Year 4 now?? Time to take the training wheels off. I love Martin but lets let Freeman open up for the run game like the rest of the league does.

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« #5 : September 19, 2012, 04:44:24 PM »

Very nice presentation.

The OL did a great job Sunday in pass pro. Kudos to all 5 of them. Glad Dotson has supplanted TB...hopefully he embraces it with even stronger play.

They did do a pretty nice job. I couldnt complain about them this week. Another reason they should have let Freeman do his thing all day. Hes showing hes more and more capable to do it lately. Year 4 now?? Time to take the training wheels off. I love Martin but lets let Freeman open up for the run game like the rest of the league does.

I agree. They should come out bombing it in Dallas this weekend....lets see what V-Jax, MW19, Benn and Dallas can do. Attack. Catch the cows off guard.
« : September 19, 2012, 04:47:17 PM chace1986 »


Until preseason, you stay classy Red Board.

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« #6 : September 19, 2012, 04:51:38 PM »

Very nice presentation.

The OL did a great job Sunday in pass pro. Kudos to all 5 of them. Glad Dotson has supplanted TB...hopefully he embraces it with even stronger play.

They did do a pretty nice job. I couldnt complain about them this week. Another reason they should have let Freeman do his thing all day. Hes showing hes more and more capable to do it lately. Year 4 now?? Time to take the training wheels off. I love Martin but lets let Freeman open up for the run game like the rest of the league does.

I agree. They should come out bombing it in Dallas this weekend....lets see what V-Jax, MW19, Benn and Dallas can do. Attack. Catch the cows off guard.

He can still be smart with the ball when he airs it out. Just put it in spots only the receiver can get it. That shouldnt be too hard as VJ and MW19 are big targets that can go up and get it. So it doesnt need to that accurate. Just accurate enough. They are making this way harder than it needs to be.

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« #7 : September 19, 2012, 05:38:53 PM »

As much as I couldn't stand BR in the past, they've actually stepped it up this year in their featured articles.

I hope our o-line will continue to be this dominant.  Dotson and Penn will definitely have their hands full this week against Ware.  Im looking forward to that match-up.

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« #8 : September 19, 2012, 07:04:43 PM »

Quality post here and I'm not being sarcastic this time. Dotson did a damn good job, better than I thought.

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« #9 : September 19, 2012, 07:15:09 PM »

They did do a pretty nice job. I couldnt complain about them this week. Another reason they should have let Freeman do his thing all day. Hes showing hes more and more capable to do it lately. Year 4 now?? Time to take the training wheels off. I love Martin but lets let Freeman open up for the run game like the rest of the league does.


I agree. They should come out bombing it in Dallas this weekend....lets see what V-Jax, MW19, Benn and Dallas can do. Attack. Catch the cows off guard.

Our O-line played well and as much as i'd love for Free to air it out all game, with Schiano's emphasis on playing turnover-free football, this won't happen.

Our best chance for a W is having a fairly balanced run-pass ratio.

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« #10 : September 20, 2012, 08:20:48 AM »

Both O-Lines had a great game last Sunday!

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« #11 : September 20, 2012, 11:03:51 AM »

Big Man Dot over there Owning..It's only going to get better for the bucs offense(if they give the rock to the big guy instead of suck-muscle caddy.0)

Freeman has improved and I was wrong about him.

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« #12 : September 20, 2012, 11:13:57 AM »

It would be nice if we found True's replacement on our own squad. I've liked Dotson all year he has improved more than anyone this offseason.

He got a start towards the end of the year last year and looked absolutely terrible. He has been solid so far this year. Let's see what he can do. He seems to have done a good job against the best front 4 in football.

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« #13 : September 20, 2012, 11:18:34 AM »

Mr. Dotson - meet Mr. Ware.

Hope Dot is consistent

Who knew how good it would feel as a fan when we now know what it\'s like for our team to have a direction, an attitude, and dare I say an offense?.  

Good time to be a Bucs fan.

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« #14 : September 20, 2012, 11:26:12 AM »

I believe Ware rushes from the right side more times than not, so he'll be Penn's problem most of the day.

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