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« #15 : October 15, 2012, 10:17:29 PM »

I can't speak for those who are anti-freeman. I do feel that I can speak for myself and a few others who had, and still have, legitimate criticisms of him and his play. My main beef with the guy is that he rarely plays a complete 4 qtrs of good football and when he does put together one of those games...he never does it for 2-3-4 weeks in a row. That criticism is still active.

Myself and most of the others on here are aware of Freeman's issues. Yesterday didn't change that. But, unlike yourself and some others, we don't feel the need to harp on it in every post/thread where Freeman's name comes up.

Good for you, and others.

You are simplifying the situation. The threads about Freeman weren't/aren't all the same. Freeman doesn't just do one or two things bad...so he can be talked about in multiple threads.

Move along if you don't like it...or disagree....or continue b*tching...whichever.

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #16 : October 15, 2012, 10:39:18 PM »

I can't speak for those who are anti-freeman. I do feel that I can speak for myself and a few others who had, and still have, legitimate criticisms of him and his play. My main beef with the guy is that he rarely plays a complete 4 qtrs of good football and when he does put together one of those games...he never does it for 2-3-4 weeks in a row. That criticism is still active.

Myself and most of the others on here are aware of Freeman's issues. Yesterday didn't change that. But, unlike yourself and some others, we don't feel the need to harp on it in every post/thread where Freeman's name comes up.

Good for you, and others.

You are simplifying the situation. The threads about Freeman weren't/aren't all the same. Freeman doesn't just do one or two things bad...so he can be talked about in multiple threads.

Move along if you don't like it...or disagree....or continue b*tching...whichever.

Keep b*tching? LMAO! That's all you do. You've been a one trick pony lately and have become java-lite, The thing is, you don't even realize it.

I'll keep pointing out your adolescent, infatuation with Freeman's struggles. Deal with it.

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« #17 : October 15, 2012, 10:46:51 PM »

I can't speak for those who are anti-freeman. I do feel that I can speak for myself and a few others who had, and still have, legitimate criticisms of him and his play. My main beef with the guy is that he rarely plays a complete 4 qtrs of good football and when he does put together one of those games...he never does it for 2-3-4 weeks in a row. That criticism is still active.

Myself and most of the others on here are aware of Freeman's issues. Yesterday didn't change that. But, unlike yourself and some others, we don't feel the need to harp on it in every post/thread where Freeman's name comes up.

Good for you, and others.

You are simplifying the situation. The threads about Freeman weren't/aren't all the same. Freeman doesn't just do one or two things bad...so he can be talked about in multiple threads.

Move along if you don't like it...or disagree....or continue b*tching...whichever.

Keep b*tching? LMAO! That's all you do. You've been a one trick pony lately and have become java-lite, The thing is, you don't even realize it.

I'll keep pointing out your adolescent, infatuation with Freeman's struggles. Deal with it.

Apparently that's all you notice...but that's not all I do. Plenty of other topics that I post on that don't involve Freeman. I even gave him some credit for a good game on Sunday. Something a "one trick pony" couldn't do...Think what you will, though. My sleep won't be affected either way.

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #18 : October 15, 2012, 10:57:10 PM »

I am his [freeman] biggest fan, but lets see 2-3 good games in a row now.  One game does not make it all good.  Lets see some consistency, I want to build some trust in the guy.


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« #19 : October 15, 2012, 11:01:00 PM »

One game does not make it all good.

Nobody said that it did.

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« #20 : October 15, 2012, 11:02:42 PM »

One game does not make it all good.

Nobody said that it did.

LMAO...and you call people adolescent.

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #21 : October 15, 2012, 11:15:36 PM »

One game does not make it all good.

Nobody said that it did.

LMAO...and you call people adolescent.

No, just you, If the shoe fits...

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« #22 : October 15, 2012, 11:18:03 PM »

One game does not make it all good.

Nobody said that it did.

LMAO...and you call people adolescent.

No, just you, If the shoe fits...

Yet another lie.


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« #23 : October 15, 2012, 11:21:46 PM »

One game does not make it all good.

Nobody said that it did.

LMAO...and you call people adolescent.

No, just you, If the shoe fits...

Shoe seems to fit you quite nicely...have at it.

Those aluminum foil hats are messing some things up in your dome.

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #24 : October 15, 2012, 11:44:42 PM »

How dare anyone post about Freeman's inadequacies in a Josh Freeman thread!!!

PS Do some of you get paid to stick up for Josh Freeman? Just curious, how much longer does this guy get to prove he's not a franchise QB? IE, when do the system, not enough weapons, etc type of excuses run out? I mean, this is basically his 4th season in the league. Isn't it time this guy starts showing 1) consistency 2) accuracy and 3) starts winning games?

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« #25 : October 15, 2012, 11:49:23 PM »

How dare anyone post about Freeman's inadequacies in a Josh Freeman thread!!!

PS Do some of you get paid to stick up for Josh Freeman? Just curious, how much longer does this guy get to prove he's not a franchise QB? IE, when do the system, not enough weapons, etc type of excuses run out? I mean, this is basically his 4th season in the league. Isn't it time this guy starts showing 1) consistency 2) accuracy and 3) starts winning games?

#blasphemy

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #26 : October 15, 2012, 11:57:57 PM »

How dare anyone post about Freeman's inadequacies in a Josh Freeman thread!!!

PS Do some of you get paid to stick up for Josh Freeman? Just curious, how much longer does this guy get to prove he's not a franchise QB? IE, when do the system, not enough weapons, etc type of excuses run out? I mean, this is basically his 4th season in the league. Isn't it time this guy starts showing 1) consistency 2) accuracy and 3) starts winning games?

#blasphemy

I want to like Freeman, I really do...this team isn't going anywhere if he doesn't perform well.

That being said, I watched him a lot in college and didn't think he was accurate enough to be a franchise NFL QB. When the Bucs drafted him, I'm not gonna lie, I was disappointed, but started to warm up to him after his 2nd season. Here we sit 21 games later and to say he's regressed from that season would be an understatement. Call me crazy, but I just don't see the consistency and/or the accuracy from Freeman that will ever allow him to be labeled a franchise QB. His completion % this season is 55%...sorry, that's not gonna get it done.

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« #27 : October 16, 2012, 12:03:34 AM »

How dare anyone post about Freeman's inadequacies in a Josh Freeman thread!!!

PS Do some of you get paid to stick up for Josh Freeman? Just curious, how much longer does this guy get to prove he's not a franchise QB? IE, when do the system, not enough weapons, etc type of excuses run out? I mean, this is basically his 4th season in the league. Isn't it time this guy starts showing 1) consistency 2) accuracy and 3) starts winning games?
You are giving Freeman more credit than anyone expecting him to just come out and shine with all of the new changes.  Any thinking person would have to know that after Morris and all of the new changes there will have to be some adjustment time.  This coaching staff hasn't yet figured out how to run the ball and you want Freeman to look like Manning out there?  I'm trying to keep realistic expectations for this season.  That includes a much improved and crisp second half. This is playing out just like I wanted it to.   

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« #28 : October 16, 2012, 01:23:32 AM »

I don't hate Freeman. I just want him to play like Sunday more than once every two years. Furthermore, I find any nitpicking against our receivers silly. VJ Mw Tiquan were fabulous. I'm not asking him to be a top five QB. But I am asking that he be above average. So I'm happy. Sunday was lovely. I'm gonna enjoy it another 132 hours.  After that, we'll see.

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« #29 : October 16, 2012, 07:19:24 AM »

I don't hate Freeman. I just want him to play like Sunday more than once every two years. Furthermore, I find any nitpicking against our receivers silly. VJ Mw Tiquan were fabulous. I'm not asking him to be a top five QB. But I am asking that he be above average. So I'm happy. Sunday was lovely. I'm gonna enjoy it another 132 hours.  After that, we'll see.

+1...even on the words "fabulous" and "lovely".  ;)

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.
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