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#30 : November 22, 2012, 09:06:10 PM

The stadium deal is just another excuse.

The Rays show what the problem is....people want it for free. The Rays attendance is terrible no matter what Sternberg tries to do. Tickets are already among  the lowest in MLB. You can bring your own food in the game. They've tried increasing payroll. Still no matter what, people won't come out. But guest what is sky high? The TV ratings. People want to watch the game in HD at home for free.

And I think that's the same thing with the Bucs.

Some of it is, but the fact is, the people do not have disposable income. In most cases, people are living from paycheck to paycheck. I don't understand how that's even arguable at this point.

You have a team that was once beloved, now playing at a great level (like we always hoped in an offense), but yet people won't come out? I'd go to every game if I had the money, including away, but again, disposable income needed. Remember, only about 10 percent of people in Tampa area have genuine disposable income. The rest are poor, middle class families, or snowbirds that bring their team pride with them (they do nothing for the economy they actually raid).

People saying other people are not fans or fairweather because they chose to feed/cloth/keep their families instead of going to games, are dnozzles. This is NOT on the people of Tampa being "bad fans," and anyone who thinks so probably makes more money than they're actually worth. As the saying goes, "money doesn't grow from trees." Plainly put, people have better things to spend their hard earned money on. Rays or Bucs, it doesn't matter. Fans would fill those stands if they were able to. Nearly everyone would rather GO to the game than see it on T.V. Just watch their eyes light up when you tell them you're going... Heck, I went to the Pats/Bucs PS game and nearly got five other people (besides my regular friend) to buy tickets and go with me, but they all separately canceled due to money issues. All because I said I was going, they knew they had a ride there and back, and didn't have to pay parking...they wanted to go (never asked them), yet still didn't have the money to sacrifice.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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#31 : November 22, 2012, 09:13:20 PM

The stadium deal is just another excuse.

The Rays show what the problem is....people want it for free. The Rays attendance is terrible no matter what Sternberg tries to do. Tickets are already among  the lowest in MLB. You can bring your own food in the game. They've tried increasing payroll. Still no matter what, people won't come out. But guest what is sky high? The TV ratings. People want to watch the game in HD at home for free.

And I think that's the same thing with the Bucs.

Some of it is, but the fact is, the people do not have disposable income. In most cases, people are living from paycheck to paycheck. I don't understand how that's even arguable at this point.

You have a team that was once beloved, now playing at a great level (like we always hoped in an offense), but yet people won't come out? I'd go to every game if I had the money, including away, but again, disposable income needed. Remember, only about 10 percent of people in Tampa area have genuine disposable income. The rest are poor, middle class families, or snowbirds that bring their team pride with them (they do nothing for the economy they actually raid).

People saying other people are not fans or fairweather because they chose to feed/cloth/keep their families instead of going to games, are dnozzles. This is NOT on the people of Tampa being "bad fans," and anyone who thinks so probably makes more money than they're actually worth. As the saying goes, "money doesn't grow from trees." Plainly put, people have better things to spend their hard earned money on. Rays or Bucs, it doesn't matter. Fans would fill those stands if they were able to. Nearly everyone would rather GO to the game than see it on T.V. Just watch their eyes light up when you tell them you're going... Heck, I went to the Pats/Bucs PS game and nearly got five other people (besides my regular friend) to buy tickets and go with me, but they all separately canceled due to money issues. All because I said I was going, they knew they had a ride there and back, and didn't have to pay parking...they wanted to go (never asked them), yet still didn't have the money to sacrifice.

Yes, like booze, cigarettes, drugs and hookers. THAT money is ALWAYS there...

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#32 : November 22, 2012, 09:26:24 PM

The stadium deal is just another excuse.

The Rays show what the problem is....people want it for free. The Rays attendance is terrible no matter what Sternberg tries to do. Tickets are already among  the lowest in MLB. You can bring your own food in the game. They've tried increasing payroll. Still no matter what, people won't come out. But guest what is sky high? The TV ratings. People want to watch the game in HD at home for free.

And I think that's the same thing with the Bucs.

Some of it is, but the fact is, the people do not have disposable income. In most cases, people are living from paycheck to paycheck. I don't understand how that's even arguable at this point.

You have a team that was once beloved, now playing at a great level (like we always hoped in an offense), but yet people won't come out? I'd go to every game if I had the money, including away, but again, disposable income needed. Remember, only about 10 percent of people in Tampa area have genuine disposable income. The rest are poor, middle class families, or snowbirds that bring their team pride with them (they do nothing for the economy they actually raid).

People saying other people are not fans or fairweather because they chose to feed/cloth/keep their families instead of going to games, are dnozzles. This is NOT on the people of Tampa being "bad fans," and anyone who thinks so probably makes more money than they're actually worth. As the saying goes, "money doesn't grow from trees." Plainly put, people have better things to spend their hard earned money on. Rays or Bucs, it doesn't matter. Fans would fill those stands if they were able to. Nearly everyone would rather GO to the game than see it on T.V. Just watch their eyes light up when you tell them you're going... Heck, I went to the Pats/Bucs PS game and nearly got five other people (besides my regular friend) to buy tickets and go with me, but they all separately canceled due to money issues. All because I said I was going, they knew they had a ride there and back, and didn't have to pay parking...they wanted to go (never asked them), yet still didn't have the money to sacrifice.

Yes, like booze, cigarettes, drugs and hookers. THAT money is ALWAYS there...

The last guy I knew that went to one, well...., it was his bachelor party. And that was three months ago. Everyone pooled up to get him A drink and a couple of dances. That place was dead also BTW.

People are prioritizing their money these days. Haven't you heard? ...Even the porn industry is having financial problems, bars are closing/getting robbed, and police are getting more violent crime arrests now than drug related arrests.

Folks are fighting for the basics. It's getting pretty bad for people who can't pull welfare. Haven't you noticed more bums/homeless than normal? It isn't related to drugs, hookers, booze or cigs my friend. It's the economy. People are taking paycuts, or getting laid off left and right, without an opportunity to work elsewhere.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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#33 : November 22, 2012, 10:08:38 PM


Yes, like booze, cigarettes, drugs and hookers. THAT money is ALWAYS there...

Is this what your family spent money on when you were a kid? If not, then why the hell do you think other families do?


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#34 : November 22, 2012, 10:18:15 PM

Yes, like booze, cigarettes, drugs and hookers. THAT money is ALWAYS there...

Hell yea!! Gotta have those smokes!!

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 I thought Lovie said he wanted quickness & speed, even at the QB position?

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#35 : November 22, 2012, 10:21:55 PM


Yes, like booze, cigarettes, drugs and hookers. THAT money is ALWAYS there...

Is this what your family spent money on when you were a kid? If not, then why the hell do you think other families do?

Well.. I see plenty of people buying booze and I see plenty of people smoking away....

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#36 : November 22, 2012, 10:31:18 PM

One of my buddies and i have had this conversation many times. He claims to be a die hard fan and is constantly complaining about the blackouts. When i pointed out to him that he spends more $$ on his cigs in a yr than i spend on my tix, he didn't like it very much. Truth hurts, i guess.

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#37 : November 22, 2012, 10:51:51 PM

If you claim to be a fan, live in tampa and DON'T have tickets...don't complain. Because you're obviously not doing your part to help the situation.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem!


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#38 : November 22, 2012, 11:11:42 PM

I'll be there. First game I've been able to slip off to this year. Pumped.


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#39 : November 22, 2012, 11:20:19 PM


For years, the Glazers bought up tix...and Buc fans took it for granted. Today, they say no more....

Bull**CENSORED**.    The years you claim they were buying tickets, the games were 99% sold out anyway.   Of course they aren't going to buy tickets to get the sellout now because it's more than a few tickets now.


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#40 : November 22, 2012, 11:23:18 PM

One of my buddies and i have had this conversation many times. He claims to be a die hard fan and is constantly complaining about the blackouts. When i pointed out to him that he spends more $$ on his cigs in a yr than i spend on my tix, he didn't like it very much. Truth hurts, i guess.

It's kind of like the type of people who spend a ton of money on clothes, gold chains and such.   But they live in a **CENSORED**hole.   


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#41 : November 22, 2012, 11:26:55 PM

Is buying up 2000-6000 seats at 1/3 the cost that bad? I read somewhere that nearly every NFL team rakes in 6-10mil per game.

Doesn't seem like that bad of a hit. It would be like advertising your product.....(what a concept!) They could at least write it off that way.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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#42 : November 22, 2012, 11:59:15 PM


For years, the Glazers bought up tix...and Buc fans took it for granted. Today, they say no more....

Bull**CENSORED**.    The years you claim they were buying tickets, the games were 99% sold out anyway.

You sure about that??

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#43 : November 23, 2012, 12:01:27 AM

The most tickets the Glazers ever bought was 1750.   That's 2.6% of the stadium.   And that was back when the stadium had to be 100% sold out to avoid a blackout.

Buying 7000 seats to get it to the 85% level doesn't make any sense.


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#44 : November 23, 2012, 12:03:07 AM

The Chargers game had a pretty big walk-up crowd. This one might also.
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