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« #330 : December 18, 2012, 12:22:46 AM »

Slightly different NFL now than when Plunkett won his Superbowls....

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« #331 : December 18, 2012, 12:26:57 AM »

Slightly different NFL now than when Plunkett won his Superbowls....

It's a passing league and he was a down field passer.

Jim Plunkett would have eaten Tom Brady's lunch and asked for dessert.


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« #332 : December 18, 2012, 12:28:09 AM »

But you could win Super Bowls with a 52% passer.  Terry Bradshaw was an awful passer, and he has 4 super bowls.  You cannot win Super Bowls with a 52% passer in this era.

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« #333 : December 18, 2012, 12:44:16 AM »

But you could win Super Bowls with a 52% passer.  Terry Bradshaw was an awful passer, and he has 4 super bowls.  You cannot win Super Bowls with a 52% passer in this era.

Easy to say that you can't do this or that .... just by saying that you can't do this or that.

You're building a team with down field threats Jackson/Williams ... you aren't signing slot receivers ...  you're signing BIG PLAYMAKERS.

I've got a QB with crappee short term range and I sign/re-sign receivers with down field skills.

You CAN win championships with 52% passers, just like Bradshaw did. 

You hook-up a downhill thrower with a down-field catcher .... Bradshaw/Swann & Stallworth.

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« #334 : December 18, 2012, 12:46:38 AM »

You realize in the late 70s, 52% would put you towards the middle of the pack, not literally be the worst passer in the league, like now, right?  In 1977, Terry Bradshaw had a 51% completion percentage, and he was the dead-on average in the league.  If anyone threw 52% now, they'd be the worst QB in accuracy in the league.

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« #335 : December 18, 2012, 01:02:57 AM »

You realize in the late 70s, 52% would put you towards the middle of the pack, not literally be the worst passer in the league, like now, right?  In 1977, Terry Bradshaw had a 51% completion percentage, and he was the dead-on average in the league.  If anyone threw 52% now, they'd be the worst QB in accuracy in the league.

You do realize the NFL is forever changing?

At play-off time in 2012 Aaron Rodgers was the 12th Ranked QB.
Peyton Manning was ranked 15th.
Tom Brady was ranked 18th ... less than half way down the league average.

Buc's fans think that they have to have a top 5 HellaQB to even matter ... get some self-esteem  ::)

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« #336 : December 18, 2012, 01:04:08 AM »

Yes, the NFL is forever changing, which is why a 52% QB could be a good QB in the late 70s, and a QB with extreme accuracy issues can't be a good QB now.  Thank you for making my point for me.

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« #337 : December 18, 2012, 01:18:02 AM »

Yes, the NFL is forever changing, which is why a 52% QB could be a good QB in the late 70s, and a QB with extreme accuracy issues can't be a good QB now.  Thank you for making my point for me.

Except you made no point.

You just vomiting one  >:(

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« #338 : December 18, 2012, 01:20:16 AM »

My point is: Freeman's accuracy would be top 10 in the late 70s.  Freeman would've been a superstar if he put up his current stats then.  Unfortunately for him, the game has changed, so putting up those same numbers now makes him the 31st most accurate QB in the NFL.

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« #339 : December 18, 2012, 01:27:41 AM »

My point is: Freeman's accuracy would be top 10 in the late 70s.  Freeman would've been a superstar if he put up his current stats then.  Unfortunately for him, the game has changed, so putting up those same numbers now makes him the 31st most accurate QB in the NFL.

Your point was obvious and well said, he chose to be blind to it.

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« #340 : December 18, 2012, 01:41:41 AM »

My point is: Freeman's accuracy would be top 10 in the late 70s.  Freeman would've been a superstar if he put up his current stats then.  Unfortunately for him, the game has changed, so putting up those same numbers now makes him the 31st most accurate QB in the NFL.


He's a good down-field thrower.

Why argue the obvious.

He sucks at short passes.

We didn't sign Vincent Jackson to catch 5 yard passes. We didn't keep Mike Williams to do the same.

WHY !?!?

Are you arguing ...

That Freeman sucks at high completion passing when we ACTUALLY hired all his skilled position wide receivers to RUN DOWN FEILD ?

Throw the Damm ball down the field.

Or/Either run Martin.

What's with the wishy/washy offensive (Co-Ordinater).

I'll take Freeman at 50% and Doug Martin at 50% .... with an astute Coaching Staff.



 

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« #341 : December 18, 2012, 02:21:22 AM »

I don't think he's a good down the field thrower at all.    He has been blessed to have 2 WR's who are fantastic at adjusting to a pass and gooning the ball away from the defender (VJax and MWill) when a pass is thrown up for grabs.    Freeman just throws it up and those 2 guys can come down with it even when it's a garbage pass.     He tried doing the same thing the other day to Dallas Clark and saw the result - a pick.   


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« #342 : December 18, 2012, 03:19:29 PM »

Other QBs Fueling Josh Freeman Critics

From everything Joe has heard and Joe knows, Josh Freeman is a workaholic when it comes to trying to become one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL.

Thus far, Freeman in his four seasons has been at best, inconsistent. There are times where Freeman reminds Joe of Dan Fouts. There are times Freeman reminds Joe of Neil Lomax. There are times Joe cringes with the memories of Trent Dilfer dancing in his head.

This is part of the reason many Bucs fans either are ready to or already have thrown in the towel on the Bucs signal-caller, partially fueled by Freeman’s freefall the past four weeks from average to below average to struggling to wretched last Sunday, as the Bucs went from strong playoff contender to pretender to full-blown draft mode.

Part of the rancor comes from where Freeman was drafted. There is a certain expectation — real or imagined — that a quarterback drafted in the first round should put his team on his back and carry them to the playoffs.

That hasn’t happened, and the way Freeman has played this season, the highest of highs and the lowest of lows, it’s hard to fathom Freeman doing that in the near future. Remember, the Bucs were in prime position for a playoff run at 6-4, and Freeman has regressed since.

Then there is the play of lesser and less-experienced quarterbacks, or at least NFL quarterbacks who were not drafted in the first round but likely are leading their teams to the postseason.

First there is Colin Kaepernick of the 49ers. Drafted in the second round last year, Kaepernick was plugged into the starting lineup in the middle of this season and has done nothing but great things, roasting the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football and then hanging four touchdowns in the freezing rain in New England on Sunday, handing the Patriots their first December home loss in 10 years.

Right now, can anyone envision Freeman doing that to the Patriots?

Then there is Andy Dalton, a second round pick in 2011, who is on the cusp of leading the usually dreadful Bengals to the playoffs for the second consecutive season.

Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson also has the anti-Freeman crowd in a roar. The rookie third round pick has been nothing less than dynamic and has the Seahawks on the verge of the playoffs.

And who can forget Nick Foles, a rookie third round pick of the Eagles, who came into Raymond James and showed Bucs fans the way to play quarterback, the way to handle pressure, the way to slice through a defense for a game-winning drive, stuff Freeman hasn’t been able to accomplish enough over the past two years.

Because of the excellent play of quarterbacks with lesser expectations than Freeman had when he was drafted — no fault of Freeman’s – many Bucs fans have begun searching for torches.

When fans see these quarterbacks play so well, they ask, “Why can’t Freeman do that?” It’s a fair question given Freeman has more toys to play with than those signal-callers, and has had more games to polish his craft than the aforementioned QBs.

Look, Joe is confident Freeman will be your Bucs starting quarterback through 2013, and he very well may be re-signed by Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik.

But the patience of Bucs fans has grown short for Freeman’s ability to lead a team to mid-January games – not watching on the couch like the rest of us.
http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=80393

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« #343 : December 18, 2012, 03:22:20 PM »

Joes writing really caters to the glass half empty type of guy. Maybe thats why I just dont enjoy his articles.

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« #344 : December 18, 2012, 03:55:31 PM »

¿Dónde está BucsWTF?



That gif is golden.

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