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« : December 04, 2012, 12:55:28 AM »



Fennelly: Bucs' Freeman can't keep up with 'other' guy




 By MARTIN FENNELLY| The Tampa Tribune
Published: December 02, 2012



Elvis Dumervil and the Broncos defense gave Josh Freeman a frustrating afternoon on Sunday.

DENVER --

The Bucs are now a .500 football team. And, in the way of the NFL, Josh Freeman is a .500 quarterback.
 
He played like that Sunday.
 
No, he didn't get much help from his once-potent running attack or his fading pass protectors in a convincing 31-23 loss to the Broncos. But Freeman threw the pivotal pass of the game, one that was intercepted and returned for a touchdown to blow it open a mile wide in Mile High. That was the story – that and the Broncos quarterback.
 
"The bottom line is execution," Freeman said. "There was a span in there where we weren't executing and the same time, the guy on the other side, they were rolling."
 
"The other guy," Peyton Manning, won his 150th regular-season game as a starting quarterback, the second most in league history. He threw a touchdown to a Denver defensive lineman . Later, under pressure, on third and short, nearly out of bounds near the Bucs sideline, Manning outdid even himself when he threw a completion to running back Knowshon Moreno … who was sitting on his rump at the time.
 
Bucs coach Greg Schiano, startled, congratulated Manning.
 
"That's the first time I've ever had an opposing coach tell me it was a good play in the middle of the game," Manning said.
 
By the way, Manning and little brother Eli have now both been bum rushed by the Bucs while taking a knee.
 
Congratulations, Greg!
 
Josh Freeman was the other guy Sunday. He completed six of eight passes for 94 yards in the first quarter, he was better than Manning, as the Bucs grabbed a 10-7 lead. They still led 10-7 at halftime, but things had already begun to come apart. Manning was warming up. Freeman was cooling down.
 
Understand, the Broncos are the hottest team in the league, having won seven in a row. They're also Top 10 in nearly every defensive category. Broncos linebacker Von Miller is extraordinary. And then there is Manning. Most any quarterback, ever, suffers by comparison.
 
Still, it was a bad day for Freeman. He completed only 18 of 39 throws. He found Vincent Jackson only three times. He missed a lot. A late flurry of completions gave him deceiving totals, 242 yards of passing, just five fewer than Manning, but in the third quarter, on which this game turned, in which Broncos beat the Bucs 21-0, Freeman went missing, completing only three of 12 passes for 26 yards.
 
Meanwhile, Manning, given an opening, drove Denver to two scores, finishing both with touchdowns to turn a 10-7 hole into a 21-10 lead.
 
It was Freeman's turn. Smacked but good as he threw, he was picked off by Miller, who took it in for a 28-10 Broncos lead.
 
"The type of swing that Pick Sixes are from a momentum standpoint, from a points standpoint, it's tough to overcome," Freeman said.
 
Schiano put the best face on 5's day:
 
"I thought when he had ample time, I thought he played well. …The Pick Six, he got hit, that wasn't his throw, that a throw induced by a hit. ...I thought he competed through some tough, tough competition and some tough hits."
 
But Denver, like Atlanta last week, stuffed Doug Martin and the Bucs run game (21 carries, 71 yards), brought the pass rush and dared Freeman to beat them behind his now-crumbling offensive line. Josh Freeman better get used to that. Denver corners dropped far back in coverage to stymie the deep ball, betting Freeman's intermediate game wouldn't be enough. It wasn't Sunday.
 
Bucs touchdowns are suddenly being replaced by Bucs field goals, and it shows in the win-loss column.
 
Being the quarterback, being the guy, is about overcoming, no matter what's thrown your way. Manning went through a stretch like that Sunday, but when the opportunity presented itself after halftime, he walked right through the door. Josh Freeman couldn't. Whether or not it was from a lack of help, he couldn't close the deal.
 
"It was tough day for a stretch," Freeman said. "You've got to find a way to make the plays, and the plays you make you've got to maximize them. And we just found a way to beat ourselves, in a way."
 
The Bucs are .500. Their quarterback is, too. That's how it works.

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« #1 : December 04, 2012, 12:04:03 PM »

Lol, love it. Freeman can't hang with Peyton Manning against the worst pass defense in the NFL. Oh by the way he got no help from his run defense or pass protection but he did throw that pick six when he got blindsided in the back, that one is on him, lol.

Great work

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« #2 : December 04, 2012, 12:31:16 PM »

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  No, he didn't get much help from his once-potent running attack or his fading pass protectors..."
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  Peyton Manning, won his 150th regular-season game as a starting quarterback, the second most in league history. 
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  By the way, Manning and little brother Eli have now both been bum rushed by the Bucs while taking a knee. 
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  but in the third quarter, on which this game turned, in which Broncos beat the Bucs 21-0, Freeman went missing 
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  But Denver... brought the pass rush and dared Freeman to beat them behind his now-crumbling offensive line.
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  Being the quarterback, being the guy, is about overcoming, no matter what's thrown your way.   
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  Whether or not it was from a lack of help, he couldn't close the deal.   

I wonder if this perrenial ham-n-egger will ever realize how bad a sports journalist he is.

Beats his own articles to a pulp, like a 12-year old who just discovered Jergens hand lotion while finding his ol' man's Hustler collection...

Hey Fennely......  Chew glass you nitwit.


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« #3 : December 04, 2012, 12:46:33 PM »

Lol, love it. Freeman can't hang with Peyton Manning against the worst pass defense in the NFL. Oh by the way he got no help from his run defense or pass protection but he did throw that pick six when he got blindsided in the back, that one is on him, lol.

Great work

Freeman goes up against the number 1 sacking defense in the entire NFL, with a makeshift Oline. Plays average.

Manning plays against the LAST team on the freaking pass defense chart,yet he wasn't EXPECTED to do what he did?

Playing average, against the bronco defense is, by default, playing good. I seriously doubt manning would have faired much better if he were playing against his own teams defense. In all honesty, it was never Freeman's game to lose, it was the pitiful excuse'for'a'defense that caused the whooping they got. Stop manning on those third downs and everything looks a lot prettier.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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« #4 : December 04, 2012, 12:52:09 PM »

That interception was garbage by Freeman. Harris jumped the route before Miller did. Even if he put some mustard on it and wasn't hit, we were going to get housed.

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« #5 : December 04, 2012, 01:04:02 PM »

I don't know if you can definitively say it would have been intercepted, but it was definitely a tight window that he shouldn't have tried to throw into. I think the problem with that play is it's a three step drop and he's expected to get it out fast, so in his mind he didn't have time to look anywhere else. It seems like every time we go to one the linebackers know exactly what we're trying to do and simply drop back into the probable throwing lane. In my mind we have been on the losing end of these plays far too often. Our poor execution means the risk is just not worth the reward. They should just eliminate these plays from the playbook for the time being (and to be clear, I'm sure it's not all on Sullivan for running these plays - a lot of times the quarterback will throw on a running play if they see something they like).

Also, it's not as if Freeman was terrible the entire game. There were just about 3-5 drives where he stunk.
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