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« #885 : December 12, 2012, 11:05:11 PM »

Funny. You hear these players in interviews and such, and they seem to realize this is a business....

On second thought, Freeman is only 24. He may not have caught on yet. Coddle away.

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #886 : December 12, 2012, 11:06:49 PM »

The contract it will require to sign Freeman will be very bloated due to the ridiculousness that is today's free agency

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« #887 : December 12, 2012, 11:08:12 PM »

unless of course one goes with heavy incentives at a decent annual value - for more years...

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« #888 : December 12, 2012, 11:09:41 PM »

That would be ideal, but it seems like agents try to avoid those deals as best they can.

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« #889 : December 12, 2012, 11:10:35 PM »

The contract it will require to sign Freeman will be very bloated due to the ridiculousness that is today's free agency

So what is your estimation of what his average salary would be?

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #890 : December 12, 2012, 11:12:20 PM »

with incentives and signing bonus - 7-8.5 mill a year

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« #891 : December 12, 2012, 11:12:46 PM »

both an excellent gm and concerned about how his starting qb is thinking/feeling

I think if he was concerned about Flacco's feelings, he'd have signed him when he first started griping about his contract....prior to last season, IIRC. Fact is he'll sign him when he feels Flacco is worthy of doing so and wasn't gonna let the contract yr nonsense sway him into doing it sooner than he needs to.

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« #892 : December 12, 2012, 11:14:00 PM »

with incentives and signing bonus - 7-8.5 mill a year

$10-12 easily

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« #893 : December 12, 2012, 11:15:38 PM »

with incentives and signing bonus - 7-8.5 mill a year

$10-12 easily
what makes you think that bc if that is all against the cap that is 1/10 of the cap or right around there - and this kid aint worth that... to anybody.

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« #894 : December 12, 2012, 11:17:15 PM »

with incentives and signing bonus - 7-8.5 mill a year

$10-12 easily

I agree.  He is going to get more than his WR who just signed a 5 year/ 55 million dollar deal.

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« #895 : December 12, 2012, 11:21:30 PM »

with incentives and signing bonus - 7-8.5 mill a year

$10-12 easily
what makes you think that bc if that is all against the cap that is 1/10 of the cap or right around there - and this kid aint worth that... to anybody.

Have you not seen the $$ given to less accomplished QBs in recent years?

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« #896 : December 12, 2012, 11:22:44 PM »

The contract it will require to sign Freeman will be very bloated due to the ridiculousness that is today's free agency

So what is your estimation of what his average salary would be?

Mark Sanchez: 5 years $58.25million
Joe Flacco's Deal (This contract will be key to Freeman's negotiations)
Phillip Rivers: 7 years $98.25million
Jay Cutler: 5 years $49.77million
Ryan Fitzpatrick: 7 years $62.195million
Kevin Kolb: 6 years $63.5 million

Those are some of the contracts they will probably use as a negotiating basis.

Obviously a little less than Phillip Rivers.

So I'd say somewhere in $10.5million-$11.5million range
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« #897 : December 12, 2012, 11:25:48 PM »

like i said, 10-12.....and maybe more if you take 'potential' into account.

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« #898 : December 12, 2012, 11:27:10 PM »

like i said, 10-12.....and maybe more if you take 'potential' into account.

I agree with ya.

I also think it could creep up into the $13mil-$14mil range if Freeman was allowed to hit the open market. That would infuriate me if we didn't get any compensation for the guy.

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« #899 : December 12, 2012, 11:30:44 PM »

like i said, 10-12.....and maybe more if you take 'potential' into account.

I agree. If he has a decent year next season, he will ask for more that what his final year is on his contract, which maxes out at  $9.76 mil.

There is no reason financially to resign him early. The risk that we might be signing just an average QB, outweighs the risk that he would get his feelings hurt.

Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.
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