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#30 : December 07, 2012, 09:04:07 AM

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Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?
True and the guy looks like he went to the Tanard Jackson School of Tackling Excellenence.

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#31 : December 07, 2012, 09:10:43 AM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

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#32 : December 07, 2012, 09:13:18 AM

We just need too start fresh with talent at the corner position. I believe Rhodes is a better NFL fit corner than Banks. I can see Rhodes begin what we thought we had in talib. Sean Smith would be good if we cut ties with Wright because none of what we have now is worth starting in the NFL we also need another pass rushing pass rushing end. Safety

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#33 : December 07, 2012, 09:13:48 AM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

playing corner isn't just like "hey, that dude is awesome...lets get him, plug him into our system and he'll excel."  To some degree, every corner is a "system corner".  Nnamdi is no different...and the system that he's playing in currently is NOT the system he is made to play in.  What they are asking him to do in philly is NOT what he is comfortable doing, or what he enjoys doing.  He is a press corner who bumps a guy at the line, disrupts his route and keeps up with him while running so that when the ball is thrown towards him, he can make a play on it.  Thing is, because he is so good at the press coverage, and timing routes are so important in this league, the ball is rarely ever thrown that way.

The good news about bringing Nnamdi in here is that...thats our system.  That is what we try to do!  He'd fit in!  He's perfect!  The bad news is....Nnamdi has long legs.  The longer the play takes to develop, the more at a disadvantage he is, because he doesn't have the hip fluidity make sharp turns (he relies on his speed to catch back up).  We don't apply enough pressure to the QB to make sure that the plays are short enough.

So yes, bring him in...definitely.  Theres absolutely no reason not to.  You say he's old...but there's almost no wear on those tires.  Look at Terrance Newman...taken in the same year.  He has twice as many tackles as Nnamdi.  Or Brandon Carr...who only has 100 less and 5 years less playing time.  Or Ronde who has 5 years more but almost 1000 more tackles.  Nnamdi isn't hitting people, because the ball isn't getting thrown at him.  Just remember...until we get a pass rush that can make sure he isn't chasing after a receiver all day long...results aren't going to be spectacular (same for any corner).

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#34 : December 07, 2012, 09:45:25 AM

Unlike some, I believe we should continue developing the ones we have now. Signing a free agent is just as much of a gamble as a hot rookie being drafted.

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#35 : December 07, 2012, 10:27:45 AM

Martin, Barron, David, McCoy, Clayborn, Williams, Foster, etc. are all guys we drafted, plugged in anre are doing well. The only recent FA's thaat have been worth the money, IMO are jackson,  Nicks & Clark, not so much Wright. I say, draft CB #1 & #2, which Dom has done on the dline twice before and plug them in, just like David, Barron, Foster & Martin and let's go.

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#36 : December 07, 2012, 10:44:48 AM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

playing corner isn't just like "hey, that dude is awesome...lets get him, plug him into our system and he'll excel."  To some degree, every corner is a "system corner".  Nnamdi is no different...and the system that he's playing in currently is NOT the system he is made to play in.  What they are asking him to do in philly is NOT what he is comfortable doing, or what he enjoys doing.  He is a press corner who bumps a guy at the line, disrupts his route and keeps up with him while running so that when the ball is thrown towards him, he can make a play on it.  Thing is, because he is so good at the press coverage, and timing routes are so important in this league, the ball is rarely ever thrown that way.

The good news about bringing Nnamdi in here is that...thats our system.  That is what we try to do!  He'd fit in!  He's perfect!  The bad news is....Nnamdi has long legs.  The longer the play takes to develop, the more at a disadvantage he is, because he doesn't have the hip fluidity make sharp turns (he relies on his speed to catch back up).  We don't apply enough pressure to the QB to make sure that the plays are short enough.

So yes, bring him in...definitely.  Theres absolutely no reason not to.  You say he's old...but there's almost no wear on those tires.  Look at Terrance Newman...taken in the same year.  He has twice as many tackles as Nnamdi.  Or Brandon Carr...who only has 100 less and 5 years less playing time.  Or Ronde who has 5 years more but almost 1000 more tackles.  Nnamdi isn't hitting people, because the ball isn't getting thrown at him.  Just remember...until we get a pass rush that can make sure he isn't chasing after a receiver all day long...results aren't going to be spectacular (same for any corner).

I agree with you that he fits into our system, and it's the same reason I want to draft Xavier Rhodes.

Age does matter for a CB though, even if you don't have much wear and tear, because you're most likely going to lose speed.

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#37 : December 07, 2012, 10:57:02 AM

I agree with you that he fits into our system, and it's the same reason I want to draft Xavier Rhodes.

what type of play do you believe rhodes excels at?  i thought some FSU guys on the board considered him more of a zone CB?

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#38 : December 07, 2012, 10:58:26 AM

Nnamdi Asomugha.
I'd love that signing . Bad fit in philly , but he'd still be the best corner on this team by a longshot. He'd come at a reasonable price now also.

what do you consider reasonable?

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#39 : December 07, 2012, 01:22:46 PM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

playing corner isn't just like "hey, that dude is awesome...lets get him, plug him into our system and he'll excel."  To some degree, every corner is a "system corner".  Nnamdi is no different...and the system that he's playing in currently is NOT the system he is made to play in.  What they are asking him to do in philly is NOT what he is comfortable doing, or what he enjoys doing.  He is a press corner who bumps a guy at the line, disrupts his route and keeps up with him while running so that when the ball is thrown towards him, he can make a play on it.  Thing is, because he is so good at the press coverage, and timing routes are so important in this league, the ball is rarely ever thrown that way.

The good news about bringing Nnamdi in here is that...thats our system.  That is what we try to do!  He'd fit in!  He's perfect!  The bad news is....Nnamdi has long legs.  The longer the play takes to develop, the more at a disadvantage he is, because he doesn't have the hip fluidity make sharp turns (he relies on his speed to catch back up).  We don't apply enough pressure to the QB to make sure that the plays are short enough.

So yes, bring him in...definitely.  Theres absolutely no reason not to.  You say he's old...but there's almost no wear on those tires.  Look at Terrance Newman...taken in the same year.  He has twice as many tackles as Nnamdi.  Or Brandon Carr...who only has 100 less and 5 years less playing time.  Or Ronde who has 5 years more but almost 1000 more tackles.  Nnamdi isn't hitting people, because the ball isn't getting thrown at him.  Just remember...until we get a pass rush that can make sure he isn't chasing after a receiver all day long...results aren't going to be spectacular (same for any corner).

I really don't see why athletes get so much of pass. A worker who gets paid $40K a year will have to adjust to what he or she is not accustomed if management requires it. The same should be expected of a veteran who gets paid millions for 16+ plus weeks of work.

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#40 : December 07, 2012, 01:37:47 PM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

playing corner isn't just like "hey, that dude is awesome...lets get him, plug him into our system and he'll excel."  To some degree, every corner is a "system corner".  Nnamdi is no different...and the system that he's playing in currently is NOT the system he is made to play in.  What they are asking him to do in philly is NOT what he is comfortable doing, or what he enjoys doing.  He is a press corner who bumps a guy at the line, disrupts his route and keeps up with him while running so that when the ball is thrown towards him, he can make a play on it.  Thing is, because he is so good at the press coverage, and timing routes are so important in this league, the ball is rarely ever thrown that way.

The good news about bringing Nnamdi in here is that...thats our system.  That is what we try to do!  He'd fit in!  He's perfect!  The bad news is....Nnamdi has long legs.  The longer the play takes to develop, the more at a disadvantage he is, because he doesn't have the hip fluidity make sharp turns (he relies on his speed to catch back up).  We don't apply enough pressure to the QB to make sure that the plays are short enough.

So yes, bring him in...definitely.  Theres absolutely no reason not to.  You say he's old...but there's almost no wear on those tires.  Look at Terrance Newman...taken in the same year.  He has twice as many tackles as Nnamdi.  Or Brandon Carr...who only has 100 less and 5 years less playing time.  Or Ronde who has 5 years more but almost 1000 more tackles.  Nnamdi isn't hitting people, because the ball isn't getting thrown at him.  Just remember...until we get a pass rush that can make sure he isn't chasing after a receiver all day long...results aren't going to be spectacular (same for any corner).

I really don't see why athletes get so much of pass. A worker who gets paid $40K a year will have to adjust to what he or she is not accustomed if management requires it. The same should be expected of a veteran who gets paid millions for 16+ plus weeks of work.
We're not talking monotonous tasks that people like us deal with, such as switching from using Microsoft Explorer to Firefox. NFL players are specialized athletes and the really good ones are generally really good because they do one thing really well and telling them to do something that they don't do really well is just stupid. You don't tell Carl Lewis to start running marathons because he's a good sprinter, you don't tell Michael Jordan to play center because he's a good shooting guard and you don't tell Nnamdi Asomugha to play zone or off coverage. That's not what he does. It's not like Asomugha is refusing to do different things. He's just not as good at them.

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#41 : December 07, 2012, 01:42:39 PM

"not as good at them" is putting it very lightly.


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#42 : December 07, 2012, 01:51:24 PM

I agree with you that he fits into our system, and it's the same reason I want to draft Xavier Rhodes.

what type of play do you believe rhodes excels at?  i thought some FSU guys on the board considered him more of a zone CB?

Nah he's definitely a press coverage man corner. He doesn't get the interceptions that the other guys do because he just doesn't get the ball thrown his way that often. I don't think that he's a zone guy at all.

I really do think that he's an Asomguha clone, except a better tackler.

I think it would be a big mistake to make him a safety or into a zone corner.
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#43 : December 07, 2012, 02:02:25 PM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

playing corner isn't just like "hey, that dude is awesome...lets get him, plug him into our system and he'll excel."  To some degree, every corner is a "system corner".  Nnamdi is no different...and the system that he's playing in currently is NOT the system he is made to play in.  What they are asking him to do in philly is NOT what he is comfortable doing, or what he enjoys doing.  He is a press corner who bumps a guy at the line, disrupts his route and keeps up with him while running so that when the ball is thrown towards him, he can make a play on it.  Thing is, because he is so good at the press coverage, and timing routes are so important in this league, the ball is rarely ever thrown that way.

The good news about bringing Nnamdi in here is that...thats our system.  That is what we try to do!  He'd fit in!  He's perfect!  The bad news is....Nnamdi has long legs.  The longer the play takes to develop, the more at a disadvantage he is, because he doesn't have the hip fluidity make sharp turns (he relies on his speed to catch back up).  We don't apply enough pressure to the QB to make sure that the plays are short enough.

So yes, bring him in...definitely.  Theres absolutely no reason not to.  You say he's old...but there's almost no wear on those tires.  Look at Terrance Newman...taken in the same year.  He has twice as many tackles as Nnamdi.  Or Brandon Carr...who only has 100 less and 5 years less playing time.  Or Ronde who has 5 years more but almost 1000 more tackles.  Nnamdi isn't hitting people, because the ball isn't getting thrown at him.  Just remember...until we get a pass rush that can make sure he isn't chasing after a receiver all day long...results aren't going to be spectacular (same for any corner).

I really don't see why athletes get so much of pass. A worker who gets paid $40K a year will have to adjust to what he or she is not accustomed if management requires it. The same should be expected of a veteran who gets paid millions for 16+ plus weeks of work.
We're not talking monotonous tasks that people like us deal with, such as switching from using Microsoft Explorer to Firefox. NFL players are specialized athletes and the really good ones are generally really good because they do one thing really well and telling them to do something that they don't do really well is just stupid. You don't tell Carl Lewis to start running marathons because he's a good sprinter, you don't tell Michael Jordan to play center because he's a good shooting guard and you don't tell Nnamdi Asomugha to play zone or off coverage. That's not what he does. It's not like Asomugha is refusing to do different things. He's just not as good at them.

Your second sentence contradicts the rest of your statement. Yes they are specialized athletes. Its not like the Eagles are asking Nnamdi to play fullback. These are professional athletes and supposedly the best in the country. If a CB can't move to another team and adapt to their scheme, he does not deserve to be paid millions. Unlike fans, they study (well suppose to) the game in detail. He should be able to adjust. The average Harry, **CENSORED**, and Tom does it all the time and gets paid a fraction what he does. Like I said earlier, if they moved him to FB I would give him a pass. Since he is still playing CB, I'm not. Adapting to a different scheme does not excuse him being blown in coverage and missing multiple tackles the last two seasons in Philly.

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#44 : December 07, 2012, 02:10:48 PM

Two Words:

Nnamdi Asomugha.

Listening to Philly radio, there's a chance he gets cut with the old regime.

Press coverage is supposedly his forte, and is what we insist on playing.

Two words:

You serious?


That guy was overrated from the get off and has been a huge bust in Philly. It's not just that he hasn't been great and hasn't lived up to his giant contract...it's that he has flat out sucked and not lived up to a veteran minimum contract. Why on Earth would we want to sign a 32 year old CB that has been awful for the last two years?

playing corner isn't just like "hey, that dude is awesome...lets get him, plug him into our system and he'll excel."  To some degree, every corner is a "system corner".  Nnamdi is no different...and the system that he's playing in currently is NOT the system he is made to play in.  What they are asking him to do in philly is NOT what he is comfortable doing, or what he enjoys doing.  He is a press corner who bumps a guy at the line, disrupts his route and keeps up with him while running so that when the ball is thrown towards him, he can make a play on it.  Thing is, because he is so good at the press coverage, and timing routes are so important in this league, the ball is rarely ever thrown that way.

The good news about bringing Nnamdi in here is that...thats our system.  That is what we try to do!  He'd fit in!  He's perfect!  The bad news is....Nnamdi has long legs.  The longer the play takes to develop, the more at a disadvantage he is, because he doesn't have the hip fluidity make sharp turns (he relies on his speed to catch back up).  We don't apply enough pressure to the QB to make sure that the plays are short enough.

So yes, bring him in...definitely.  Theres absolutely no reason not to.  You say he's old...but there's almost no wear on those tires.  Look at Terrance Newman...taken in the same year.  He has twice as many tackles as Nnamdi.  Or Brandon Carr...who only has 100 less and 5 years less playing time.  Or Ronde who has 5 years more but almost 1000 more tackles.  Nnamdi isn't hitting people, because the ball isn't getting thrown at him.  Just remember...until we get a pass rush that can make sure he isn't chasing after a receiver all day long...results aren't going to be spectacular (same for any corner).

I really don't see why athletes get so much of pass. A worker who gets paid $40K a year will have to adjust to what he or she is not accustomed if management requires it. The same should be expected of a veteran who gets paid millions for 16+ plus weeks of work.

That's not really a complete analogy.  Think of it more like this: I'm an anthropologist...I play around with genetics and stuff like that...I'm good at it.  I don't know the first thing about architecture.  If someone were to tell me though that they are going to pay me 60 million dollars over the next 5 years to be an architect...and that 25 million of that is guaranteed to be mine, even if I suck at it, or for some health reason i can't finish the job...I'd be insane not to take that position.  Or, even more accurately, I'm a biological anthropologist...again, back to genetics, blood tests, human variation, that sort of thing.  If someone offered me the above mentioned job as a cultural anthropologist, a job in which I only know the basics, and have not been trained in the more advanced nuances, or what is expected of me in terms of publishing and such..I'd be nuts not to take it.  I'm still an anthropologist right?  he's still a cornerback right?  They are not plug and play positions.  To a lesser degree, you can say the same thing about wide receivers (hence Gruden's comment about bryant and galloway), defensive tackles...etc.

The bottom line is...its not on Nnamdi to adjust to the system that he's being put in...if he does...good for him, it makes him more versatile and ups his value next time he goes on the open market...he can argue that he has the quality "can adjust to new situations" that makes him more valuable than the next guy who hasn't proven that he can do that.  It is philly's fault for picking a guy and paying him a ton of money who doesn't fit their system...or more realistically, going out and getting a guy who is a cornerstone piece of a defense, and then not building the defensive scheme around him.
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