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« #90 : December 11, 2012, 10:02:49 PM »

Any logical fan without an axe to grind knew that the system would have adjustment time.  Timing alone would take five or six games.

so by the 13th game the timing should be there?
Absolutely!  I don't think I saw anyone saying Freeman had a good game. It was a terrible and unacceptable performance.  I still have more confidence in Freeman than I do in that defense.

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« #91 : December 12, 2012, 08:45:55 AM »

freeman probably shouldnt have played well earlier in the season and raised expectations of himself.
Any logical fan without an axe to grind knew that the system would have adjustment time.  Timing alone would take five or six games.

Mind explaining why the offense has seen a significant drop off over the last month?

Defenses adjust by keeping safeties over the top and held Martin under 60 yards rushing twice. Oh, and we played Denver and Atlanta in that stretch. If you take a look at  Freeman's numbers, aside from Philly, they are about the same as the Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego and Carolina stretch. So your point is?

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« #92 : December 12, 2012, 08:50:51 AM »

No point at all. People just want to blame everything on Freeman. So he had a bad game, it's his fault. Nevermind the countless stupid drive ending holding penalties, especially on the last and most crucial drive of the game. Never mind the secondary making a rookie look like Drew Brees and nevermind Gorrer dropping an easy pick that would have ended the game.

Truth is we had a 21-10 lead with less than 7 minutes to play. Our pass defense once again put up very little resistance and our offensive line made another critical penalty when we could not afford one. 3rd and 8, you run the ball because you should and  because you need to take time outs away from Philly.

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« #93 : December 12, 2012, 09:00:19 AM »

No point at all. People just want to blame everything on Freeman. So he had a bad game, it's his fault. Nevermind the countless stupid drive ending holding penalties, especially on the last and most crucial drive of the game. Never mind the secondary making a rookie look like Drew Brees and nevermind Gorrer dropping an easy pick that would have ended the game.

Truth is we had a 21-10 lead with less than 7 minutes to play. Our pass defense once again put up very little resistance and our offensive line made another critical penalty when we could not afford one. 3rd and 8, you run the ball because you should and  because you need to take time outs away from Philly.

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« #94 : December 12, 2012, 09:05:17 AM »

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/11/refo-eagles-buccaneers-week-14/
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Off Day for Freeman

Buccaneers quarterback, Josh Freeman (-1.8 ) was a little off for most of the game. He never seemed to settle into a rhythm, finishing the game 14 of 32 on his graded passes. All year Freeman’s struggles have come when he is under pressure, and this game was no different. When under pressure Freeman didn’t complete a pass, going 0 of 9, and many of those nine were way off target. As soon as he feels pressure he rushes his throws and becomes extremely inaccurate. His QB rating with no pressure was a very impressive 106.9, but against pressure just 39.6.

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79842
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Wide Receivers Undercut Josh Freeman
December 11th, 2012

Yes, Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman is feeling heat after a third consecutive week in which he missed open receivers and played a lackluster game.

Sure, he played OK against Atlanta, but missed critical throws that eventually doomed the Bucs. Against the Broncos, as Joe pointed out before, Freeman vanished when faced with adversity for at least a quarter, which allowed the Broncos to rally for a win.

Sunday, Freeman may have had one of his worst games of his career, and at the worst time no less, since it all but knocked the Bucs out of playoff contention.

But hold up, said Bucs radio analyst Dave Moore on on “The Ron and Ian Show” yesterday on WDAE-AM 620. The former Bucs tight end, while admitting Freeman wasn’t his best self with accuracy Sunday, believed at least a few times errant throws were on Bucs receivers for not running proper routes, not so much because of Freeman’s wild streak. Moore specifically fingered Tiquan Underwood for missing “sight-adjusts” based on coverage.

This is why, Moore said, Freeman often reacted angrily after an incompletion.

“The receivers weren’t adjusting and [Freeman's bitter response] looks bad,” Moore said.

Moore also talked about how the Bucs lost more because of a lack of execution than anything the Eagles were doing.

“The Bucs were averaging four yards a carry right off the bat that was good. [Failure to move the ball early was] more about the fact the Bucs were not executing rather than Philadelphia was presenting anything they couldn’t handle. Josh wasn’t accurate with high percentage passes which he normally hits. He was throwing high and hard. It happens. If you watch a pitcher in baseball and basketball players, some days you are on and some days you are not.”

To hear the entire interview with Moore, click on the little arrow below. Audio courtesy of WDAE-AM 620. (check out the link to the original article for the audio.)

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« #95 : December 12, 2012, 09:17:37 AM »

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/11/refo-eagles-buccaneers-week-14/
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Off Day for Freeman

Buccaneers quarterback, Josh Freeman (-1.8 ) was a little off for most of the game. He never seemed to settle into a rhythm, finishing the game 14 of 32 on his graded passes. All year Freeman’s struggles have come when he is under pressure, and this game was no different. When under pressure Freeman didn’t complete a pass, going 0 of 9, and many of those nine were way off target. As soon as he feels pressure he rushes his throws and becomes extremely inaccurate. His QB rating with no pressure was a very impressive 106.9, but against pressure just 39.6.

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79842
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Wide Receivers Undercut Josh Freeman
December 11th, 2012

Yes, Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman is feeling heat after a third consecutive week in which he missed open receivers and played a lackluster game.

Sure, he played OK against Atlanta, but missed critical throws that eventually doomed the Bucs. Against the Broncos, as Joe pointed out before, Freeman vanished when faced with adversity for at least a quarter, which allowed the Broncos to rally for a win.

Sunday, Freeman may have had one of his worst games of his career, and at the worst time no less, since it all but knocked the Bucs out of playoff contention.

But hold up, said Bucs radio analyst Dave Moore on on “The Ron and Ian Show” yesterday on WDAE-AM 620. The former Bucs tight end, while admitting Freeman wasn’t his best self with accuracy Sunday, believed at least a few times errant throws were on Bucs receivers for not running proper routes, not so much because of Freeman’s wild streak. Moore specifically fingered Tiquan Underwood for missing “sight-adjusts” based on coverage.

This is why, Moore said, Freeman often reacted angrily after an incompletion.

“The receivers weren’t adjusting and [Freeman's bitter response] looks bad,” Moore said.

Moore also talked about how the Bucs lost more because of a lack of execution than anything the Eagles were doing.

“The Bucs were averaging four yards a carry right off the bat that was good. [Failure to move the ball early was] more about the fact the Bucs were not executing rather than Philadelphia was presenting anything they couldn’t handle. Josh wasn’t accurate with high percentage passes which he normally hits. He was throwing high and hard. It happens. If you watch a pitcher in baseball and basketball players, some days you are on and some days you are not.”

To hear the entire interview with Moore, click on the little arrow below. Audio courtesy of WDAE-AM 620. (check out the link to the original article for the audio.)

"Truth is we had a 21-10 lead with less than 7 minutes to play."

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« #96 : December 12, 2012, 09:25:57 AM »

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/12/11/refo-eagles-buccaneers-week-14/
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Off Day for Freeman

Buccaneers quarterback, Josh Freeman (-1.8 ) was a little off for most of the game. He never seemed to settle into a rhythm, finishing the game 14 of 32 on his graded passes. All year Freeman’s struggles have come when he is under pressure, and this game was no different. When under pressure Freeman didn’t complete a pass, going 0 of 9, and many of those nine were way off target. As soon as he feels pressure he rushes his throws and becomes extremely inaccurate. His QB rating with no pressure was a very impressive 106.9, but against pressure just 39.6.

http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79842
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Wide Receivers Undercut Josh Freeman
December 11th, 2012

Yes, Bucs quarterback Josh Freeman is feeling heat after a third consecutive week in which he missed open receivers and played a lackluster game.

Sure, he played OK against Atlanta, but missed critical throws that eventually doomed the Bucs. Against the Broncos, as Joe pointed out before, Freeman vanished when faced with adversity for at least a quarter, which allowed the Broncos to rally for a win.

Sunday, Freeman may have had one of his worst games of his career, and at the worst time no less, since it all but knocked the Bucs out of playoff contention.

But hold up, said Bucs radio analyst Dave Moore on on “The Ron and Ian Show” yesterday on WDAE-AM 620. The former Bucs tight end, while admitting Freeman wasn’t his best self with accuracy Sunday, believed at least a few times errant throws were on Bucs receivers for not running proper routes, not so much because of Freeman’s wild streak. Moore specifically fingered Tiquan Underwood for missing “sight-adjusts” based on coverage.

This is why, Moore said, Freeman often reacted angrily after an incompletion.

“The receivers weren’t adjusting and [Freeman's bitter response] looks bad,” Moore said.

Moore also talked about how the Bucs lost more because of a lack of execution than anything the Eagles were doing.

“The Bucs were averaging four yards a carry right off the bat that was good. [Failure to move the ball early was] more about the fact the Bucs were not executing rather than Philadelphia was presenting anything they couldn’t handle. Josh wasn’t accurate with high percentage passes which he normally hits. He was throwing high and hard. It happens. If you watch a pitcher in baseball and basketball players, some days you are on and some days you are not.”

To hear the entire interview with Moore, click on the little arrow below. Audio courtesy of WDAE-AM 620. (check out the link to the original article for the audio.)

"Truth is we had a 21-10 lead with less than 7 minutes to play."


Yup.

Freeman may have had an off day, but he played well enough to win.

Another game where the defense (awful pass coverage mainly) pissed the game away.  Just throwing in some more beatings on that dead horse.

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« #97 : December 12, 2012, 11:10:49 AM »

freeman probably shouldnt have played well earlier in the season and raised expectations of himself.
Any logical fan without an axe to grind knew that the system would have adjustment time.  Timing alone would take five or six games.

Mind explaining why the offense has seen a significant drop off over the last month?

Defenses adjust by keeping safeties over the top and held Martin under 60 yards rushing twice. Oh, and we played Denver and Atlanta in that stretch. If you take a look at  Freeman's numbers, aside from Philly, they are about the same as the Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego and Carolina stretch. So your point is?

So essentially, you are admitting that Freeman has trouble adjusting to defenses and struggles to lead his team to victory against quality opponents. Noted.

...and 14 of 32 does not coincide with any of the previous games you mentioned.
« : December 12, 2012, 11:13:06 AM chace1986 »


Hell, brees might not be as accurate as manziel.

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« #98 : December 12, 2012, 11:16:09 AM »

No point at all. People just want to blame everything on Freeman. So he had a bad game, it's his fault. Nevermind the countless stupid drive ending holding penalties, especially on the last and most crucial drive of the game. Never mind the secondary making a rookie look like Drew Brees and nevermind Gorrer dropping an easy pick that would have ended the game.

Truth is we had a 21-10 lead with less than 7 minutes to play. Our pass defense once again put up very little resistance and our offensive line made another critical penalty when we could not afford one. 3rd and 8, you run the ball because you should and  because you need to take time outs away from Philly.

Who is saying that we lost on Sunday, solely because of Freeman?

You ignore the truth that the defense put the offense in great position to put points on the board, and yet they struggled to do so until nearly midway through the third qtr.

Defense deserves a lot of the blame for the loss on Sunday. No doubt, and few will dispute that, but if Josh Freeman had done his job through 4 qtrs, game would not have been close. He does deserve some criticism for his crappy play.
« : December 12, 2012, 11:19:46 AM chace1986 »


Hell, brees might not be as accurate as manziel.

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« #99 : December 12, 2012, 11:39:27 AM »

freeman probably shouldnt have played well earlier in the season and raised expectations of himself.
Any logical fan without an axe to grind knew that the system would have adjustment time.  Timing alone would take five or six games.

Mind explaining why the offense has seen a significant drop off over the last month?

Defenses adjust by keeping safeties over the top and held Martin under 60 yards rushing twice. Oh, and we played Denver and Atlanta in that stretch. If you take a look at  Freeman's numbers, aside from Philly, they are about the same as the Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego and Carolina stretch. So your point is?

So essentially, you are admitting that Freeman has trouble adjusting to defenses and struggles to lead his team to victory against quality opponents. Noted.

...and 14 of 32 does not coincide with any of the previous games you mentioned.

Hate wears a man down! Are you tired yet? No it doesn't. You missed my point that over the 8 game stretch Freeman's numbers were basically the same with ALL opponents.  Against ATL-Wash-NY he led us to leads late in the game. You can decide what went wrong from there.  ;D

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« #100 : December 12, 2012, 12:06:47 PM »

freeman probably shouldnt have played well earlier in the season and raised expectations of himself.
Any logical fan without an axe to grind knew that the system would have adjustment time.  Timing alone would take five or six games.

Mind explaining why the offense has seen a significant drop off over the last month?

Defenses adjust by keeping safeties over the top and held Martin under 60 yards rushing twice. Oh, and we played Denver and Atlanta in that stretch. If you take a look at  Freeman's numbers, aside from Philly, they are about the same as the Minnesota, Oakland, San Diego and Carolina stretch. So your point is?

So essentially, you are admitting that Freeman has trouble adjusting to defenses and struggles to lead his team to victory against quality opponents. Noted.

...and 14 of 32 does not coincide with any of the previous games you mentioned.

Hate wears a man down! Are you tired yet? No it doesn't. You missed my point that over the 8 game stretch Freeman's numbers were basically the same with ALL opponents.  Against ATL-Wash-NY he led us to leads late in the game. You can decide what went wrong from there.  ;D

No hate here. Just objectivity. I have stated countless times that I hope for his success.

Sure, one can always find stats to cherry-pick and fit into their argument.

I actually like what Freeman did against ATL. His OL did a poor job protecting him for a lot of the game and Underwood dropped a wide open pass on 3rd and 4 that would have kept the drive alive early in the 4th qtr and could have put us up by 10, but instead we settled for a FG. I like what Freeman did against the Giants, as well. A lot of his passes we right on the money, including the one I mentioned earlier in the thread that Mike Williams couldn't hold onto. That was one of the best throws I have seen him make in his career here.

I think Freeman deserves criticism in the losses vs Dallas, Washington, Denver and Philly. In those games, there were 2-3 quarter stretches where he played like absolute crap and that can't be ignored. Are those losses his fault? No....but he isn't blameless.
« : December 12, 2012, 12:09:05 PM chace1986 »


Hell, brees might not be as accurate as manziel.

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« #101 : December 12, 2012, 12:26:46 PM »

I think the frustration for Freeman is warranted. He has held the team back at times, much like the defense has. Its no secret that when Freeman plays well, we have a solid shot at winning. He needs to put in some countless hours over the offseason and get that right. Meanwhile, Dom and Schiano need to figure out that defense. If the two can come back strong we got ourselves another fun season. Possibly more entertaining and more succesful than this season was.
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