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Quote from: Benchwarmer#1 on December 14, 2012, 12:28:44 AMSo if a black man wears cowboy boots, he's not really black? ..Am I missing something here?It depends on where he's wearing them. If he's wearing them at an inner city club, then no. If he's wearing them at a rural good ole' boys bar, then yeah, I'd say he'd be black then.I kid. Well, sorta...
So if a black man wears cowboy boots, he's not really black? ..Am I missing something here?
Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.
Quote from: Timbuc2 on December 14, 2012, 01:26:19 AMI am a Black man and will always be proud of that fact. This is a weird statement in and of itself. I've never once in my life said "I'm a white man and will always be proud of that fact." We are all whatever color we were born with. There's no need to be "proud" or "embarrassed" by whatever race you are. It just is. Everyone should be proud to be their own individual person, but the color of their skin or their race should not be the focus of why they are proud.
I am a Black man and will always be proud of that fact.
Skip, the fundamental issue for me is yes, there is prejudice in this world and it is unfortunate. To what degree, who really knows. I have had the benefit of living in Brazil, Mexico, working many years there as well as Canada and Europe. Unfortunalety, prejudice or feeling superior is a human condition for some. In order to feel better about themselves, they look down on others but at the end of the day, IMHO and personal experience it's a very small number, as I believe in the goodness of mankind. I am not one who looks at life through rose colored glasses but my opinion is based on many years of experience. Here's a quick story. MLK was assisanated April 15, 1968. In June, 3 months later, 15 basketball players, including myself, went to college, were all from inner city, ethnic neighborhoods, all of us economically disadvantaged and would fight at the drop of a hat. Turbulent times to be sure. We all learnd to play ball together, live together and stayed together fin the same dorm, same floor, as roomates for all 4 years. Two of the guys went on to successful NBA careers, each playing 13 years. We all got married, had families and successful careers. Fast forward to today, we all talk on the phone every week, send tons of emails and see each other once a year in Las Vegas and back at school. Each email and each phone call ends with the same words, I love ya and these guys are the most important part of my life, after my family. This has formed the basis for my adult life and foundation for my family. As MLK said, we judge people by the content of their character and not thee color of their skin. I fell sorry for those that have not had the pleasure of such an experience and have had prejudice, bigotry and hate in their lives. Tough existence.
Quote from: Hate on December 15, 2012, 10:50:44 AMQuote from: Rusty on December 15, 2012, 09:47:37 AMI am an Irish Catholic from Philly, moved here in 92. Bucs fan since. Married abeautiful African American lady in 1975. Have 5 gown/married children with 21 grandchildren of all ages and colors. As a family, we have always given respect and gotten respect. All of our friends tend to be of various ethnicities and socio-economic backgrounds. As a family, we are all comfortable in our skin, no mattter what shade and don't really think about color. We are all aware of issues on both sides but as a general statement, it has been my and our experience that most people don't give a rats ass about color as they are too busy trying to make a living and raise a decent family. Most people are good people and the small percentage that make asinine comments tend to get picked up by the media and they run with it to sell advertising. Is there still prejudice in America, you bet. Is is as big as we are led to believe, not even close. So like a fender bender car accident, nothing to see, move along and enjoy your family in light of the murders in Connecticut. God bless those beautiful innocent children and fallen teachers, as well as their devastated family & friends. My prayers go out to them all.Love it....and you're right, most don't give a sh*t about ones skin color. Diversity broadens horizons. Unfortunately, many still do.... on both sides, as evidenced in this thread. Its unfortunate.Quote from: The Anti-Java on December 15, 2012, 01:46:38 AMQuote from: JavaRay on December 15, 2012, 12:23:50 AMIt took the average person 10 seconds to figure out that guy is a racist dumbass. Still better to hear things in total context.......no?What a concept!!Skip, the fundamental issue for me is yes, there is prejudice in this world and it is unfortunate. To what degree, who really knows. I have had the benefit of living in Brazil, Mexico, working many years there as well as Canada and Europe. Unfortunalety, prejudice or feeling superior is a human condition for some. In order to feel better about themselves, they look down on others but at the end of the day, IMHO and personal experience it's a very small number, as I believe in the goodness of mankind. I am not one who looks at life through rose colored glasses but my opinion is based on many years of experience. Here's a quick story. MLK was assisanated April 15, 1968. In June, 3 months later, 15 basketball players, including myself, went to college, were all from inner city, ethnic neighborhoods, all of us economically disadvantaged and would fight at the drop of a hat. Turbulent times to be sure. We all learnd to play ball together, live together and stayed together fin the same dorm, same floor, as roomates for all 4 years. Two of the guys went on to successful NBA careers, each playing 13 years. We all got married, had families and successful careers. Fast forward to today, we all talk on the phone every week, send tons of emails and see each other once a year in Las Vegas and back at school. Each email and each phone call ends with the same words, I love ya and these guys are the most important part of my life, after my family. This has formed the basis for my adult life and foundation for my family. As MLK said, we judge people by the content of their character and not thee color of their skin. I fell sorry for those that have not had the pleasure of such an experience and have had prejudice, bigotry and hate in their lives. Tough existence.
Quote from: Rusty on December 15, 2012, 09:47:37 AMI am an Irish Catholic from Philly, moved here in 92. Bucs fan since. Married abeautiful African American lady in 1975. Have 5 gown/married children with 21 grandchildren of all ages and colors. As a family, we have always given respect and gotten respect. All of our friends tend to be of various ethnicities and socio-economic backgrounds. As a family, we are all comfortable in our skin, no mattter what shade and don't really think about color. We are all aware of issues on both sides but as a general statement, it has been my and our experience that most people don't give a rats ass about color as they are too busy trying to make a living and raise a decent family. Most people are good people and the small percentage that make asinine comments tend to get picked up by the media and they run with it to sell advertising. Is there still prejudice in America, you bet. Is is as big as we are led to believe, not even close. So like a fender bender car accident, nothing to see, move along and enjoy your family in light of the murders in Connecticut. God bless those beautiful innocent children and fallen teachers, as well as their devastated family & friends. My prayers go out to them all.Love it....and you're right, most don't give a sh*t about ones skin color. Diversity broadens horizons. Unfortunately, many still do.... on both sides, as evidenced in this thread. Its unfortunate.Quote from: The Anti-Java on December 15, 2012, 01:46:38 AMQuote from: JavaRay on December 15, 2012, 12:23:50 AMIt took the average person 10 seconds to figure out that guy is a racist dumbass. Still better to hear things in total context.......no?What a concept!!
I am an Irish Catholic from Philly, moved here in 92. Bucs fan since. Married abeautiful African American lady in 1975. Have 5 gown/married children with 21 grandchildren of all ages and colors. As a family, we have always given respect and gotten respect. All of our friends tend to be of various ethnicities and socio-economic backgrounds. As a family, we are all comfortable in our skin, no mattter what shade and don't really think about color. We are all aware of issues on both sides but as a general statement, it has been my and our experience that most people don't give a rats ass about color as they are too busy trying to make a living and raise a decent family. Most people are good people and the small percentage that make asinine comments tend to get picked up by the media and they run with it to sell advertising. Is there still prejudice in America, you bet. Is is as big as we are led to believe, not even close. So like a fender bender car accident, nothing to see, move along and enjoy your family in light of the murders in Connecticut. God bless those beautiful innocent children and fallen teachers, as well as their devastated family & friends. My prayers go out to them all.
Quote from: JavaRay on December 15, 2012, 12:23:50 AMIt took the average person 10 seconds to figure out that guy is a racist dumbass. Still better to hear things in total context.......no?
It took the average person 10 seconds to figure out that guy is a racist dumbass.
Norm Van Lier/Chicago Bulls. Played with Jerry Sloan, Chet Walker, Tom Borweinkle and Bob Love. NBA All Star and ended up being an announcer for thee Bulls during the Jordan yearsKevin Porter/Washigton Bullets. Played with Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, Phil Chenier & Kevin Loughery. NBA All Star and held the NBA Assist record for many yearsBoth dear friends. Van Lier passed away 3 years ago in his sleep. KP is still kicking and lives in Chicago. He went to the same high school as Maurice Cheeks.. DuSable High
Quote from: Rusty on December 15, 2012, 09:16:37 PMNorm Van Lier/Chicago Bulls. Played with Jerry Sloan, Chet Walker, Tom Borweinkle and Bob Love. NBA All Star and ended up being an announcer for thee Bulls during the Jordan yearsKevin Porter/Washigton Bullets. Played with Elvin Hayes, Wes Unseld, Phil Chenier & Kevin Loughery. NBA All Star and held the NBA Assist record for many yearsBoth dear friends. Van Lier passed away 3 years ago in his sleep. KP is still kicking and lives in Chicago. He went to the same high school as Maurice Cheeks.. DuSable HighVan Lier! Holy Crap! That is awesome. Much respect to that generation of ballers, cool story...
Cancel First Take -- The End
Quote from: tripblood on December 21, 2012, 12:31:15 AMCancel First Take -- The EndI am with you man. 30 day suspension? That is a frekin joke.