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: December 15, 2012, 11:59:18 PM



For Bucs' Freeman, deeds should match next deal







 THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Bucs QB Josh Freeman's rookie contract expires after the 2013 season.




 By MARTIN FENNELLY| The Tampa Tribune
Published: December 15, 2012


TAMPA --

There was a stretch earlier this season, when the Bucs were winning and the offense was doing amazing things, that the biggest slam dunk was Josh Freeman's new contract _ it was just a matter of how many years and how many dozens of millions of dollars.
 
It probably still is. But now Freeman is on one of those other streaks. The Bucs are losing, three in a row, and Freeman's game suddenly doesn't possess nearly the certainty that the future is his. He completed only 14 of 34 last Sunday, miss after miss, long stretches of Lousy.
 
You're going to get all the Josh Freemans when you vote for Josh Freeman. He can be the Josh who threaded the needle to Vincent Jackson in Carolina to help force overtime, the Josh who plays oh, so big, or he can be the Josh who looked so bad last week that Greg Schiano and his coaches weren't even willing to give him a chance last week on third-and-8 when a first down might bury the Eagles. Do they truly trust 5?
 
This is the better question:
 
Do they have a better idea than Josh Freeman?
 
Do you?
 
2012 was make or break, and Josh Freeman isn't all that broken. He is inconsistent, he has never led the Bucs to the playoffs, but the Bucs could do worse than him. In fact, they have, often, which is why they picked Freeman in the first round in 2009.
 
Is he an elite NFL quarterback? No.
 
Can he become one? There's no proof that he can't .
 
That's probably enough for the Bucs to place their bet. I don't think there should be a big rush _ let's see what this offseason and 2013 look like. Freeman is going to make a boat load in his next contract, but his deeds probably need to catch up to that dough.
 
First, it would be nice of him to finish strong this season. Today in New Orleans against the Saints would be a good start. Earlier this season against New Orleans, Freeman threw for 420 yards, a Bucs record, and three touchdowns. In his last four games against the Saints, Freeman has nine TD throws and zero picks.
 
Do the Bucs really have a better idea than that?
 
Freeman has a year left on his rookie deal, and Schiano, who didn't draft Freeman, might want to see 2013. But Freeman will probably get his deal, as do first-round quarterbacks who don't blow up. Freeman is the 10th-rated passer in the NFL. He's in the bottom of the upper half, really, but that's still big money. There are ordinary quarterbacks making top dollar in this league, guys who don't have Freeman's game.
 
Freeman is still only 24, room to grow and mature. He has 25 TD passes this season against only eight interceptions, comparable to his 2010 season, when he threw 25 TDs and only six picks. He has thrown for 3,000 yards for the third consecutive season. In his last nine games, he has 20 TDs and four interceptions. But his completion rate is down, and when he is wild, like last Sunday, he can look like he's right back in his lost 2011 season.
 
Put all that aside.
 
To me, it comes down to this: Can the Bucs win with this kid?
 
They can.
 
This team has far bigger holes than quarterback. And consider the alternatives. To start over at this point is to take a step back. The Bucs aren't going out and getting anyone good in free agency, anyone better than Freeman. There aren't any Andrew Lucks out there in next year's draft, mid-first round. Yes, Seattle rookie Russell Wilson was a third-rounder, lightning in a bottle. Tom Brady was a sixth-rounder. Tom Brady doesn't happen much.
 
Face it: In so many ways, the Bucs are locked into Freeman.
 
I still don't know if he's going to be great. I don't think his coaches know, either.
 
He needs to put together a few games to calm everyone's nerves. And he should be more consistent next season, his fifth in the league and second in the same offense, with Doug Martin and Vincent Jackson and a replenished offensive line. At least he better be.
 
This is about next season and the seasons after that. It's more risky for the Bucs to start over at this point than it is to wait and see if Freeman's game grows along with his bank account.
 
At this point, do you have a better idea than 5?
 
Well, do you?

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#1 : December 16, 2012, 12:39:05 AM

Stop calling him 5  just call him "the man" baby!

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#2 : December 16, 2012, 12:49:14 AM

If this team gives Freeman more than 10m/yr, Dominik needs to be fired.

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#3 : December 16, 2012, 12:51:42 AM

Stop calling him 5 

He likes to be called Joshy Fresh.


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#4 : December 16, 2012, 03:35:08 AM

Stay the course with the guy. Use the same methods that worked this season, next season, but work in some low-risk intermmdiate throws.

Naismith was right about Revis. Everyone else is a dummy.

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#5 : December 16, 2012, 08:45:35 AM

Dom will "dangle" an absurd deal to 5. Be scared. VERY scared.


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#6 : December 16, 2012, 09:23:28 AM

"5" is nowhere close to top 5, but its true that there arent a lot of better options to go with instead.

Personally i dont think he will ever be better than he is know, which is inaccurate, inconsistent and generally unable to read a defense but with enough big plays to grade out to "average"

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#7 : December 16, 2012, 09:38:22 AM

Show him the money.

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#8 : December 16, 2012, 09:45:56 AM

Don't like Fennelly, but this is a good right up. Spot on.


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#9 : December 16, 2012, 09:52:42 AM

Personally i dont think he will ever be better than he is know, which is inaccurate, inconsistent and generally unable to read a defense but with enough big plays to grade out to "average"

And with all of those faults and average play, he has 25 TDs and only 8 INTs. I guess it's because of Vincent Jackson and Doug Martin.

Freeman telegraphs his passes as he stares down receivers. And he's intercepted multiple times per game because of that.

Oh, wait.

Yes, he needs to fix his inconsistency and improve his accuracy a bit but he is more than just an average QB. And I'm looking forward to what he can do in the 2nd year of this
system with an O Line not decimated by injuries.

And yes, he has to have a strong finish starting today.

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#10 : December 16, 2012, 10:53:50 AM

"Important Freeman note: Even though it's his fourth full NFL season, he's only 24 years old one year older than Luck, three years younger than Ryan, six years younger than Roethlisberger, 11 years younger than Brady and 35 years younger than Charlie Batch. He's already thrown for 12,000 yards and 76 touchdowns, so let's say he has five more seasons like the one he's having right now and averages, say, 3,800 yards and 30 TDs every year. Conceivable, right? Including the last three 2012 games, that projection would put Freeman around 32,000 career passing yards and 225 TDs before he turns 30."

That's from Bill Simmons latest column. A ranking of the NFLs QBs, where he has josh listed at #10


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#11 : December 16, 2012, 10:57:14 AM

Yup.  And when the fuzz grows on his nutz, we will have a bonafide, accurate, consistent QB!  (because presumably he will have stopped partying and matured)


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#12 : December 16, 2012, 11:46:45 AM

Yup.  And when the fuzz grows on his nutz, we will have a bonafide, accurate, consistent QB!  (because presumably he will have stopped partying and matured)
that excerpt doesn't say anything about him getting better with age. It actually says "if he has seasons like this current one".

Those would be some impressive numbers before 30 years old.


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#13 : December 16, 2012, 12:26:44 PM

Not going anywhere....



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#14 : December 16, 2012, 12:28:41 PM

Yup.  And when the fuzz grows on his nutz, we will have a bonafide, accurate, consistent QB!  (because presumably he will have stopped partying and matured)
that excerpt doesn't say anything about him getting better with age. It actually says "if he has seasons like this current one".

Those would be some impressive numbers before 30 years old.
I am getting at the guys who CONSTANTLY bring up his age, despite four years of learning...

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