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#45 : June 09, 2014, 02:10:28 PM

thanks FRG.  I agree with your thoughts on Demps


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#46 : June 09, 2014, 02:13:58 PM

Then don't get your heart broken if Demps doesn't even make the final roster.

I wont.  But I think he fits the homerun threat better than Herron.
He has the speed but it's still to be seen if he has a position and can translate that to the NFL game. At least with Herron, we should be reasonably confident his floor will be a Stroughter level #4 receiver, but Demps' floor is off the team in two months.

Agree completely.  But thats why Demps intrigues me more.

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#47 : June 09, 2014, 03:22:51 PM

His short area quickness is what excites me. Bucs haven't had that in the slot in quite awhile.
Worth noting the "straight line speed only" Underwood did better in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 to 4.27) and 3-cone drill (6.62 to 6.84).

Prime example of what I was saying FRG lol
That fans overrate every unproven player with potential while forgetting that every disappointing current or former pro was once a great prospect, too? I agree.

More specifically in areas of need.  Not to mention the favorite phrase our OC uttered early..."speed in space".  Im honestly more interested in seeing Demps than Herron.

are there 20 yard shuttle and 3-cone times for Demps?

No ,  he didn't attend the combine or any pro day . He was overseas running track .

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#48 : June 09, 2014, 05:08:33 PM

A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193
And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.

Tavon Austin       5-8    176           WVU
Demps                 5-8    188
DeSean             5-10    176           Cal
Warrick Dunn      5-9     187          FSU
Sproles                5-6    190           KS
Steve Smith         5-9    185           Utah
Welker                 5-9     185         Texas Tech
 


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#49 : June 09, 2014, 05:44:33 PM

A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193
And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.

Tavon Austin       5-8    176           WVU
Demps                 5-8    188
DeSean             5-10    176           Cal
Warrick Dunn      5-9     187          FSU
Sproles                5-6    190           KS
Steve Smith         5-9    185           Utah
Welker                 5-9     185         Texas Tech

I'm guessing he wasn't good enough.

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#50 : June 09, 2014, 05:46:55 PM


Is Utah a better program than Wyoming? West Virginia?


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#51 : June 09, 2014, 05:58:54 PM


Is Utah a better program than Wyoming? West Virginia?

Only for the two years Urban Myer was there.

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#52 : June 09, 2014, 06:07:24 PM


Is Utah a better program than Wyoming? West Virginia?


I think so. Utah has had quite a few NFL players.

Jamal Anderson
Paris Warren  [ugh]
Scott Mitchell
Larry Wilson
Jordan Gross
Steve Smith
Manny Fernandez

West Virginia has been producing NFL prospects pretty well the last few years.

Tandy
Geno
Tavon Austin
Goode
Becth  [sp?]


Wyoming

Herron
Brett Smith
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#53 : June 09, 2014, 09:02:01 PM

A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193
And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.

Tavon Austin       5-8    176           WVU
Demps                 5-8    188
DeSean             5-10    176           Cal
Warrick Dunn      5-9     187          FSU
Sproles                5-6    190           KS
Steve Smith         5-9    185           Utah
Welker                 5-9     185         Texas Tech
I said one out of 100 5'9" 4.5 prospects turns out to be good.

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#54 : June 10, 2014, 04:04:40 AM

A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193
And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.

Tavon Austin       5-8    176           WVU
Demps                 5-8    188
DeSean             5-10    176           Cal
Warrick Dunn      5-9     187          FSU
Sproles                5-6    190           KS
Steve Smith         5-9    185           Utah
Welker                 5-9     185         Texas Tech
I said one out of 100 5'9" 4.5 prospects turns out to be good.


Understood.  My point was, plenty of players smaller than Herron get recruited to big time programs.


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#55 : June 10, 2014, 07:09:35 AM

A lot of big time college programs don't recruit kids that small who aren't track fast. Sure, one out of 100 prospects who are 5'9" 4.5 turn out to be good

Well, he is not that small.  He is 5-9, 193
And these players are smaller, and got recruited to bigger programs.

Tavon Austin       5-8    176           WVU
Demps                 5-8    188
DeSean             5-10    176           Cal
Warrick Dunn      5-9     187          FSU
Sproles                5-6    190           KS
Steve Smith         5-9    185           Utah
Welker                 5-9     185         Texas Tech
I said one out of 100 5'9" 4.5 prospects turns out to be good.


Understood.  My point was, plenty of players smaller than Herron get recruited to big time programs.
Do you know how many 5'9" 4.5 prospects come out of California every year?

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#56 : June 10, 2014, 07:31:39 AM

Herron is not a 4.5 guy . Get your facts straight , bro.

He disappointed somewhat at the combine but still ran in the 4.4's with an official 4.48.

Came back at his pro day and made up for it with this :

"There were reportedly 15 teams in attendance at Wyoming's pro day on Thursday, and wide receiver Robert Herron was a scene-stealer, with Benjamin Allbright reporting that he clock Herron at 4.25 and 4.29 in the 40-yard dash. The Wyoming receiver also had "natural hands" according to Allbright, and that could signal a rise up the draft boards for Herron"
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/3/13/5503944/nfl-pro-day-results-march-13

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#57 : June 10, 2014, 10:03:44 AM

"Nothing defines draft value better than a late-round selection who can step in and contribute or better yet, start right out of the box."


Perhaps the most ignorant statement ever put forth by Cummings that I have ever read.

Oh I dunno Roy, how about a player who we drafted in late rounds who goes on to have an entire amazing career with us?  wouldn't that be better?

We've had our share of "first season wonders".  I'd rather see a guy be amazing for his career.

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#58 : June 10, 2014, 10:05:57 AM

usually having a late round pick become a starter right away is more a sign of a junk team that has a lot of holes in it more than a good drafting team.
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