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#45 : January 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM

Positive liberty is an individual's freedom to overcome structural inefficiencies.


What the **CENSORED** does that mean?

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#46 : January 15, 2013, 08:59:09 PM


Not a conservative.

Yes you are, liar.

I believe that all drugs should be decriminalised and kept out of the hands of minors through controlled distribution.

So, what do you call someone who is pro choice,  pro gay marriage, finds the environment more important than the people living in it, is an unflinching advocate of the separation of church and state, and wants drugs decriminalised?

Well, according to the imbecilic, nutless sack of crap known as El Stupido, they're called "a conservative."

Now pretend you can't hear me, it's all you've got left.

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#47 : January 15, 2013, 09:01:32 PM

If Libertarianism is not an American conservative ideology, then why is it that every self-identifying Libertarian serving in government is aligned with the Republican party?

Simply put "Liberals" believe in the welfare of the group, libertarians believe in the welfare of the individual. One puts the needs and welfare of the group above the needs of the individual, at the expense of the individual if necessary, whereas the other believes that if you protect the needs and welfare of the individual, the group will therefore benefit by mutual consent and desire.

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#48 : January 15, 2013, 09:14:43 PM



 An extreme liberal is an anarchist. An extreme conservative is a authoritarian, or totalitarian. Conservatism and Liberalism are philosophies, which followed through to absolution, either end with totalitarianism or anarchism. They are not "ideological stops along the way" you idiot. They are the way.



LOL. Everyone is laughing at you right now. No need to even respond to this incoherent mess of a response.

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#49 : January 15, 2013, 09:17:19 PM

Positive liberty is an individual's freedom to overcome structural inefficiencies.


What the **CENSORED** does that mean?

Liberty is defined as the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life. Whereas negative liberty focuses on government authority as the only hindrance to liberty, positive liberty focuses on structure (social class, religion, gender, race, ethnicity, etc.) as possibles hindrances to liberty, and seeks to grant individuals with the power and resources to overcome such obstacles.


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#50 : January 15, 2013, 09:19:40 PM



 An extreme liberal is an anarchist. An extreme conservative is a authoritarian, or totalitarian. Conservatism and Liberalism are philosophies, which followed through to absolution, either end with totalitarianism or anarchism. They are not "ideological stops along the way" you idiot. They are the way.



LOL. Everyone is laughing at you right now. No need to even respond to this incoherent mess of a response.

I can't even fathom how an extreme libertarian is an anarchist. Someone has heard big words and doesn't know what they mean.

All posts are opinions in case you are too stupid to figure that out on your own without me saying it over and over.

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#51 : January 15, 2013, 09:26:54 PM

If Libertarianism is not an American conservative ideology, then why is it that every self-identifying Libertarian serving in government is aligned with the Republican party?

Simply put "Liberals" believe in the welfare of the group, libertarians believe in the welfare of the individual. One puts the needs and welfare of the group above the needs of the individual, at the expense of the individual if necessary, whereas the other believes that if you protect the needs and welfare of the individual, the group will therefore benefit by mutual consent and desire.

According to this assclown , everyone is either conservative or liberal , and the end of conservativism is totalitarianism . Since  , by all accounts , libertarians are more radical and outside the mainstream than conservatives , that must mean I'm closer to totalitarian.  Still following  ? LOL  I've been called a lot of things as a Libertarian , but never a totalitarian. LOL


Don't even bother to waste your time attempting to explain the differences to comrade . The guy is a complete joke.

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#52 : January 15, 2013, 09:27:29 PM

Positive liberty is an individual's freedom to overcome structural inefficiencies.


What the **CENSORED** does that mean?

Liberty is defined as the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life. Whereas negative liberty focuses on government authority as the only hindrance to liberty, positive liberty focuses on structure (social class, religion, gender, race, ethnicity, etc.) as possibles hindrances to liberty, and seeks to grant individuals with the power and resources to overcome such obstacles.

How does the jive with modern Liberals utilizing Govt as the ultimate arbiter and means of correction of all evil?

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#53 : January 15, 2013, 09:29:47 PM

This is his convoluted political philosophy....Control the guns that kill the kids, drop more bombs that kill the kids.

Keep scrubbing that blood off your hands you war mongering socialist pig.

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#54 : January 15, 2013, 09:44:37 PM


Not a conservative.

Yes you are, liar.

I believe that all drugs should be decriminalised and kept out of the hands of minors through controlled distribution.

Controlled distribution is a form of government authoritarianism. It is a conservative ideology. A liberal ideology would no government interference.

So, what do you call someone who is pro choice,  pro gay marriage, finds the environment more important than the people living in it, is an unflinching advocate of the separation of church and state, and wants drugs decriminalised?

Well, if they believe in neoliberalism, I would call them a conservative, given that all of these issues are sociopolitical issues that are not defining principles of any specific political ideology.

Now pretend you can't hear me, it's all you've got left.

No need to. You aren't nearly as smart or intimidating as you seem to think you are.


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#55 : January 15, 2013, 09:47:51 PM

This is his convoluted political philosophy....Control the guns that kill the kids, drop more bombs that kill the kids.

Keep scrubbing that blood off your hands you war mongering socialist pig.

You're right. I've advocated dropping more bombs. I'm sure you can pull up a whole slew of posts from me advocating dropping more bombs. Still fighting with those strawmen, huh, Durango? Intellectual honesty has never been your strong suit.


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#56 : January 15, 2013, 09:56:44 PM

You wouldn't understand intellectual honesty if it were dropped from a drone and killed your entire family. But as long as your neighbor has a smaller clip in his gun you're all good w/ it.


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#57 : January 15, 2013, 10:18:21 PM


And El Stupido here is about as smart and intimidating as a dried up cat turd. He'd vote for one too, if it promised him fantasyland. And as everyone can plainly see, he is a liar.

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#58 : January 16, 2013, 12:44:57 AM

If Libertarianism is not an American conservative ideology, then why is it that every self-identifying Libertarian serving in government is aligned with the Republican party?

Simply put "Liberals" believe in the welfare of the group, libertarians believe in the welfare of the individual. One puts the needs and welfare of the group above the needs of the individual, at the expense of the individual if necessary, whereas the other believes that if you protect the needs and welfare of the individual, the group will therefore benefit by mutual consent and desire.

I didn't ask what the difference between a liberal and a libertarian is, I asked why self-identifying libertarians run as Republicans instead of Democrats. Not just some of them, but all of them. The policies advocated by self-proclaimed "free thinkers" like Luminous and Durango are the same ones advocated by Ron Paul, who, last I checked, was a Republican. Why is that? Why would people who promote an ideology that supposedly has completely differing views from conservatives all run on the conservative ticket in the American political process? All bluster and bravado aside, anyone of you "free thinkers" care to answer that?


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#59 : January 16, 2013, 07:37:20 AM

If Libertarianism is not an American conservative ideology, then why is it that every self-identifying Libertarian serving in government is aligned with the Republican party?

Simply put "Liberals" believe in the welfare of the group, libertarians believe in the welfare of the individual. One puts the needs and welfare of the group above the needs of the individual, at the expense of the individual if necessary, whereas the other believes that if you protect the needs and welfare of the individual, the group will therefore benefit by mutual consent and desire.

I didn't ask what the difference between a liberal and a libertarian is, I asked why self-identifying libertarians run as Republicans instead of Democrats. Not just some of them, but all of them. The policies advocated by self-proclaimed "free thinkers" like Luminous and Durango are the same ones advocated by Ron Paul, who, last I checked, was a Republican. Why is that? Why would people who promote an ideology that supposedly has completely differing views from conservatives all run on the conservative ticket in the American political process? All bluster and bravado aside, anyone of you "free thinkers" care to answer that?
1st of all - there is only 1 elected politician who is an admitted libertarian in all of the federal government, Ron Paul. He's told us why . So your argument is stupid.

But to try and answer a flawed premise : It must be because we libertarians are so "totalitarian"  , and those damn evil anarchist Dems simply advocate too LITTLE government control for our liking . Funny , though , in a prior thread you were accusing me and other libertarians of being Somali pirate anarchists.

Starting to see the flaws in your two dimensional political spectrum yet??  Of course you don't , you're the Black Hole , and you will double-down on this stupidity.

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           
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