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#60 : January 16, 2013, 07:48:32 AM


And El Stupido here is about as smart and intimidating as a dried up cat turd. He'd vote for one too, if it promised him fantasyland. And as everyone can plainly see, he is a liar.

Comrade doesn't want to explain why so many of your social beliefs fall on the left of the spectrum , and your economic ones on the right. It shouldn't be possible.
He subscribes to the George Bush school of black and white absolutism :

"You're either with us , or you're against us" - W

Who knew comrade was such a fan ? I guess CBW's war mongering should have given us a clue.  I wonder if that makes him a conservative also on the two dimensional Simpleton's Political Scale. ? You must be either/or afterall...

What is your point? I was wrong? Ok. You win. I was wrong.

           

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#61 : January 16, 2013, 12:18:48 PM

There are only two political philosophies, conservative and liberal.


There are ONLY 2 kinds of people in the world, those that think all people can be divided into only 2 categories, and those that think rationally.


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#62 : January 16, 2013, 12:28:43 PM


I thought there were 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who do not?

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#63 : January 16, 2013, 12:43:04 PM

Some political philosophies:

Anarchism-
         -Panarchism
         -Autonomism
         -Mutualism
         -Individualism
         -Anarcho-capitalism
         -Collectivist anarchism
Egalitarianism
Majoritarianism
Progressivism
 libertarianism
Localism
Pacifism
Economic Socialism
Nationalism
Facism
Theocracy
Federalism
Centralism

yada yada yada


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#64 : January 16, 2013, 04:53:41 PM

Some political philosophies:

Anarchism-
         -Panarchism
         -Autonomism
         -Mutualism
         -Individualism
         -Anarcho-capitalism
         -Collectivist anarchism
Egalitarianism
Majoritarianism
Progressivism
 libertarianism
Localism
Pacifism
Economic Socialism
Nationalism
Facism
Theocracy
Federalism
Centralism

yada yada yada

But all of those are either conservative or liberal....or didn't you get the memo ?

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#65 : January 16, 2013, 09:53:52 PM

If Libertarianism is not an American conservative ideology, then why is it that every self-identifying Libertarian serving in government is aligned with the Republican party?

Simply put "Liberals" believe in the welfare of the group, libertarians believe in the welfare of the individual. One puts the needs and welfare of the group above the needs of the individual, at the expense of the individual if necessary, whereas the other believes that if you protect the needs and welfare of the individual, the group will therefore benefit by mutual consent and desire.

I didn't ask what the difference between a liberal and a libertarian is, I asked why self-identifying libertarians run as Republicans instead of Democrats. Not just some of them, but all of them. The policies advocated by self-proclaimed "free thinkers" like Luminous and Durango are the same ones advocated by Ron Paul, who, last I checked, was a Republican. Why is that? Why would people who promote an ideology that supposedly has completely differing views from conservatives all run on the conservative ticket in the American political process? All bluster and bravado aside, anyone of you "free thinkers" care to answer that?
1st of all - there is only 1 elected politician who is an admitted libertarian in all of the federal government, Ron Paul. He's told us why . So your argument is stupid.

Along with Paul, Bob Barr, Gary Johnson, and Roger MacBride were all elected to public office as Republicans. Former Republican congressman David Dreier was also a self-identifying libertarian. Jeff Flake, Jim Forsythe, Justin Amash, Fenton Groen, Ted Cruz, and Thomas Massie are all Republicans currently serving in congress that are self-identifying libertarians and received endorsements from various libertarian organizations. There are even more libertarians who ran on the Republican ticket in the general election that lost to Democrats. But to the best of my knowledge, not a single self-identifying libertarian at any level of government has run as a Democrat.

Also, a PAC called the Republican Liberty Caucus rates Republican candidates, endorses them based on how they rate, and donates money to their campaigns. To the best of my knowledge, no such PAC exists for the Democratic party. So your answer is stupid, and wrong. So let's try again.

If there is such a distinct ideological difference between libertarians and conservatives, why do libertarian candidates run on the Republican ticket or caucus with the Republican Party, and none run as or caucus with Democrats?

But to try and answer a flawed premise : It must be because we libertarians are so "totalitarian"  , and those damn evil anarchist Dems simply advocate too LITTLE government control for our liking . Funny , though , in a prior thread you were accusing me and other libertarians of being Somali pirate anarchists.

Already covered this, and I don't care about you enough to repeat myself.


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#66 : January 16, 2013, 10:20:01 PM


Any possibility you could stop caring about all of us enough to remain completely silent?

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#67 : January 16, 2013, 11:11:11 PM

Some political philosophies:

Anarchism-
         -Panarchism
         -Autonomism
         -Mutualism
         -Individualism
         -Anarcho-capitalism
         -Collectivist anarchism
Egalitarianism
Majoritarianism
Progressivism
 libertarianism
Localism
Pacifism
Economic Socialism
Nationalism
Facism
Theocracy
Federalism
Centralism

yada yada yada

But all of those are either conservative or liberal....or didn't you get the memo ?

Watch how easy this is...

Anarchism - It is a radical liberal ideology.

Fascism - It is a radical conservative ideology. 

Progressivism - A centre-left, or liberal ideology.

Egalitarianism, Pacifism, Localism, and Nationalism are not lone standing political ideologies. They are political philosophies that serve as a part of an ideology. For example, Localism is an essential aspect of Anarchism, and Nationalism is an essential aspect of Fascism. Egalitarianism is an essential aspect of any socialist ideology, and Pacifism is an aspect of a wide ranging array of political ideologies.

Theocracy - Not a political ideology, but rather a system of government that can be defined as a form or authoritarianism, which is a conservative ideology.

Federalism - Not a political ideology, but rather is a political construct in which the power of governance is divided between a central authority and it's constituency.

Centralism - Not a political ideology, but rather is a political construct in which the power of governance is wielded by a central authority.

Economic Socialism - Never heard of it. I suspect you are referring to Market Socialism, which is an economic construct, not a political ideology.

*Forgot one. Majoritarianism - Not a political ideology, but rather is a political construct in which the majority wields power over the minority.
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#68 : January 17, 2013, 12:12:08 AM


Any possibility you could stop caring about all of us enough to remain completely silent?

Still ignoring the question as to why Libertarians run as or caucus as Republicans, and never as Democrats? And here I thought that I was the one pretending not to hear you...


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#69 : January 17, 2013, 01:34:25 AM


Let's not pretend to converse, there's no exchange between us. You've moved down to Thomas level, strictly jester material. Now entertain us, fool.

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#70 : January 17, 2013, 02:00:25 AM


Let's not pretend to converse, there's no exchange between us. You've moved down to Thomas level, strictly jester material. Now entertain us, fool.

^^^^  Good example of your original point of view . . . .  oh . . . yeah . . .  nevermind   :-[


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#71 : January 17, 2013, 02:01:17 AM


Any possibility you could stop caring about all of us enough to remain completely silent?

Wait, this is your original point of view . . . oh . . .  wait . . . . :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[


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#72 : January 17, 2013, 02:03:21 AM


Please, no one answer the idiot.

Wait!  I found it!  Oh . . . .  damn!  Nevermind  :-[


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#73 : January 17, 2013, 02:43:53 AM

I never come down to the cove. I find it beneath me.

A period we like to call "the good old days."

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#74 : January 17, 2013, 08:04:15 AM


Let's not pretend to converse, there's no exchange between us. You've moved down to Thomas level, strictly jester material. Now entertain us, fool.

You don't wish to engage because you have no legitimate rebuttal. This is what you do whenever you have no legitimate rebuttal, resort to ad hominem attacks and bluster.

I'll answer the question for you, nitwit. The reason there has never been a single Libertarian to run on the Democratic ticket, nor is there any Libertarian PAC's that contribute to the Democratic party is because what makes one a conservative or a liberal has nothing to do with whether or not they are pro-life, or support gay marriage. These are positions in which there is a conservative AND liberal rational for supporting.

What do you see as the role of government? What type of society do you wish to create? One that values individualism over altruism? Anarchy over organization? Constitutionalism over democracy? Merit over equality? Competition over cooperation? These are the things that define a conservative and a liberal in American politics. That is what makes you a conservative, you idiot. Not whether you are pro or anti trees getting cut down.

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