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#15 : January 14, 2013, 08:52:46 AM

The Winslow trade has been his biggest mistake but Gonzalez has nothing to do with it. Why would a rebuilding team have traded for an aging TE?

But trading for Winslow turned into taking Benn over Gronkowski.
Not that I disagree with your overall point, but I don't believe the Bucs went into 2009 thinking they were rebuilding. They made way too many short sighted moves for a true rebuilding process. They were reloading while attempting to rebuild in the background.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#16 : January 14, 2013, 09:08:52 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude

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#17 : January 14, 2013, 09:13:53 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.
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#18 : January 14, 2013, 09:27:12 AM

Tony Gonzalez never would have come here. He wanted out of Kansas City because they were a bad team. At the time we traded for K2 we were a bad team. Atlanta was just coming off a playoff appearance.

You could argue that trading for K2 was a bad move given his shelf life here, but without K2 Josh would have looked worse those first 2 years and the naysayers would be even more full throat at this point.

Dominik's biggest mistakes IMO are Price, Benn, and Myron Lewis when you look at the number of amazing players that could have been had with those picks.

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#19 : January 14, 2013, 09:32:12 AM

     ... with every game Tony Gonzalez plays. On Feb 27, 2009 (Tony's birthday!!), Dominik traded a 2nd round and their 2010 5th round pick for Kellen Winslow the junior. On April 23, 2009, the Falcons traded a 2nd round pick in the 2010 draft for.... Tony Gonzalez...
     Imagine the fate of both franchises if Dominik had traded for Gonzalez instead. IMO, he's been the MVP of their offense... more than once...

I agree with the title, just not the content.  His biggest mistake was his 1st round pick in 2009.

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#20 : January 14, 2013, 09:41:52 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.

oh lord, whatever,  their line was they were going to build through the draft

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#21 : January 14, 2013, 09:45:57 AM

He probably would have helped us but how much exactly is very hard to say. Besides K2 lived up to his expectation with us for 3 years. He didn't play this year and Tony will likely not play for the Falcons next year.

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#22 : January 14, 2013, 09:47:23 AM

All I know is Gonzalez was interviewed after the game and had eyes red from crying, and he was all over the place during his moment.

Wonder if he will go nuts eventually as a result.  ::)


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#23 : January 14, 2013, 10:21:11 AM

Great player, but not sure he would of altered the history of the franchise.

I think at he very least we would've made the playoffs in 2010. That would have made an major alteration in NFL history as the Packers would've sat at home instead of hoisting the Lombardi again.


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#24 : January 14, 2013, 10:22:46 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.

oh lord, whatever,  their line was they were going to build through the draft
After they started 0-7.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#25 : January 14, 2013, 10:35:34 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.

oh lord, whatever,  their line was they were going to build through the draft
After they started 0-7.

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#26 : January 14, 2013, 10:44:05 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.

How do you explain the vet purge right before the '09 FA period. Just because they resigned a few vets and added a few mid-level FAs, doesn't mean that they were not in the business of rebuilding.

We all can agree that the Colts were rebuilding this last offseason, but that didn't prevent them from resigning vets like Reggie Wayne or adding outside talent like Vontae Davis. Even though there was a rebuilding process, Dom and Raw probably looked at Crowell, Ward, Clayton, and Barber as guys who would be on the team for at least a few years. Also, they seemed to have wanted a legit QB battle while bringing their rookie QB along slowly. They had a rebuilding plan in place...it's just completely sucked balls.


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#27 : January 14, 2013, 10:53:02 AM

Biggest mistakes? I swear. If you're going to bash someone, at least get the facts correct!

Dom's biggest mistake(s) were MC80's and Black's contracts. Take your pick.

Raheem wasn't hired by dom. That was done right after rah's interview. Ward and winslow were bad, but not pummer or Bo Jackson bad either. There was some production, even if it wasn't much. Although, k2 did impress on a few occasions he kept getting lazy/sloppy/whatever you want to call it. Freeman has broken bucs records all over the place, McCoy is PB bound, and the verdict is still out on clayborn (but he still looks like he's going to be a good player as well) and Barron (same).

Scoff as you will, fact remains... Allen could not even dream of drafting this good. The dude drafted guys with oversized hearts (rip Gaines) and guys with mental issues. I mean none of his guys could catch that?? Allen did a horrible job, and a lot of you guys should be happier not being on the Jerry jones/Rex Ryan bandwagon, because that isn't good either. Sometimes, it's better to enjoy what you don't have. Dom has proven to be more substance than hype.

One question. At this point, would you rather have Jerry jones instead of dom calling the shots??

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#28 : January 14, 2013, 10:55:30 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.

How do you explain the vet purge right before the '09 FA period. Just because they resigned a few vets and added a few mid-level FAs, doesn't mean that they were not in the business of rebuilding.

We all can agree that the Colts were rebuilding this last offseason, but that didn't prevent them from resigning vets like Reggie Wayne or adding outside talent like Vontae Davis. Even though there was a rebuilding process, Dom and Raw probably looked at Crowell, Ward, Clayton, and Barber as guys who would be on the team for at least a few years. Also, they seemed to have wanted a legit QB battle while bringing their rookie QB along slowly. They had a rebuilding plan in place...it's just completely sucked balls.
I didn't say they weren't rebuilding. I said they were attempting to reload and rebuild in the background.

FRG is the most logical poster on this board.  You guys just don\'t like where the logical conclusions take you.

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#29 : January 14, 2013, 10:55:55 AM

Of course they knew they were rebuilding.  That was part of the schtick when they fired Gruden and hired the DB coach to be the HC.   They were going to build through the draft.  Then they trade a 2nd round pick for a TE with bad knees and a worse attitude
And re-signed Luke McCown, signed Byron Leftwich, signed Angelo Crowell, signed Derrick Ward, re-signed Michael Clayton, re-signed Ryan Sims, and re-signed Ronde Barber. All because they were rebuilding.

How do you explain the vet purge right before the '09 FA period. Just because they resigned a few vets and added a few mid-level FAs, doesn't mean that they were not in the business of rebuilding.

We all can agree that the Colts were rebuilding this last offseason, but that didn't prevent them from resigning vets like Reggie Wayne or adding outside talent like Vontae Davis. Even though there was a rebuilding process, Dom and Raw probably looked at Crowell, Ward, Clayton, and Barber as guys who would be on the team for at least a few years. Also, they seemed to have wanted a legit QB battle while bringing their rookie QB along slowly. They had a rebuilding plan in place...it's just completely sucked balls.

This was purely about ticket sales. Season ticket contracts were ending and if the Bucs would have full out said we are rebuilding and are going to suck this year then they knew ticket sales would have plunged even faster than they did. (In hindsite ticket sales fell apart anyway, so they should have just bit the bullet).
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