I hate the Glazers.

[Holy Facepalm]

Very doubtful.
Don't transfer your hate of Java to the people he boasts of.

[Hate]

Very doubtful.
Don't transfer your hate of Java to the people he boasts of.

Very doubtful? We needed offense.....and you type as if Gruden was the only guy capable of providing that.

[dbucfan]

Very doubtful.
Don't transfer your hate of Java to the people he boasts of.

Very doubtful? We needed offense.....and you type as if Gruden was the only guy capable of providing that.

LOL - now you recall the coaching search at the time - and the candidates.  And you know of all the candidates the one that might and did win a SB was hired - at too high a price (the draft pick part). 

[JavaRay]

The British guy got you there, Java.

Paul's more like Mini-Me.

[1sparkybuc]

One question...............does anyone think Jon Gruden would have won the SB with the 2012 Bucs?.............................Nobody.......not possible.


Another question................does anyone think Greg Schiano could have won the SB with the 2002 Bucs?...................................Yep...........much more likely.

I'm of the opinion that a lot of coaches not named Dungy could have won with that '02 team.

Agreed, but who could do it with the 2012 team?

[JavaRay]

Agreed, but who could do it with the 2012 team?

Gruden

[dbucfan]

It is likely they would have won more games - but without a Dbackfield it is hard to imagine a team winning a SB - especially with so much of the game slanted to the benefit of the offense.... a defense almost has to have turnovers for a team to be competitive. 

[1sparkybuc]

Agreed, but who could do it with the 2012 team?

Gruden

You misunderstood. Tebow is still with the Jets. Gruden couldn't possibly do it with a record setting QB like Freeman. He would ruin him.

[Benchwarmer#1]

It is likely they would have won more games - but without a Dbackfield it is hard to imagine a team winning a SB - especially with so much of the game slanted to the benefit of the offense.... a defense almost has to have turnovers for a team to be competitive.

Ravens.

[JavaRay]

Gruden couldn't possibly do it with a record setting QB like Freeman. He would ruin him.

Freeman would not have been the QB for Gruden in 2012.   It would have been Peyton Manning.

[Biggs3535]

Gruden won the Super Bowl his first season with the Bucs. Schiano went 7-9 in his first year with the Bucs.  It's pretty obvious who the real genius is

Jon Gruden took over a 9-7 team and won three more games in his first regular season.
Greg Schiano took over a 4-12 team and won ...... three more games in his first regular season.
The 2012 Buccaneers posted their best offensive ranking in their 37-year history.


You like to make out you know so much about Buc history on this forum and then I come along, who really does know the history of the franchise, and you get put back under the bridge where you and the other trolls belong.

Quite the history lesson you gave here.  You went all the way back to 2002 to dig up that little nugget.  I'm impressed.

[Ladyfan]

All that Hate said.   ( I can't believe I just typed that!!!!lol)

[GameTime]

Why do you guys feel so strongly about scenarios you made up in your mind?  Taking a hardline stance on a make believe scenario is wild to me. I'll just agree that java wins again...another thread hijacked into the greatness of a color commentator.

[Chief Joseph]

That does seem to be the part they never catch on to - once you start playing, you've already lost.

[Hate]

Very doubtful.
Don't transfer your hate of Java to the people he boasts of.

Very doubtful? We needed offense.....and you type as if Gruden was the only guy capable of providing that.

LOL - now you recall the coaching search at the time - and the candidates.  And you know of all the candidates the one that might and did win a SB was hired - at too high a price (the draft pick part).

Mariucci, a worthy target, got his team to the playoffs..... without the benefit of the #1 defense in the league.