Does anyone else think Leonard Johnson can be a starting CB for the Bucs?

[Feel Real Good]

Sabby was 10x the athlete Grimm was, and Grimm was 10x the safety Sabby was. Perfect example. Every player needs to be a great athlete, but being above the NFL average with freakish athleticism doesn't mean squat if it's not accompanied by the intelligence, focus, and work ethic to make use of it.

Grimm was a good athlete and comparable to many starting safeties.

[GameTime]

Sabby was 10x the athlete Grimm was,

this is completely incorrect.

[CaptainStagger]

Sabby was 10x the athlete Grimm was, and Grimm was 10x the safety Sabby was. Perfect example. Every player needs to be a great athlete, but being above the NFL average with freakish athleticism doesn't mean squat if it's not accompanied by the intelligence, focus, and work ethic to make use of it.

And where is Grimm now?

Loved his heart and smarts but he was a boy amongst men....

[BucDaFackUp]

Gaitor made big plays on 3rd down in every game since he was back from IR. That is what we need. We need to get off the field.

1. Gaitor stays and will become our slot CB.
2. Johnson stays and gets a shot at being our 2nd CB.
3. We draft a CB in the 1st and try to sign a 2nd CB but don't overpay for one
4. We do like Johnson and we do like Gorrer. I think we also see something in Lewis, Lequan that is, so I don't know that we sell out on getting another 3-4 new CBs. We try to get a #1 out of the draft or FA and I don't think we do a lot more than that.

Remember that the last 2 games in particular our secondary played very well. We saw Barron step it up in the pass game. We saw our CB, Johnson in particular, start to identify the ball and make plays on it and we saw an improvement with Anthony Gaitor.

I think we make a push for a nice start CB and FS and I don't think we make to many more splashes than that.

Personally I think Johnson and Gaitor have potential but the others are pretty limited. I'd have no problem if there was one top-end CB signing in free agency + an investment of an early pick for CB (I think Bucs will draft D-Line 1st BTW)...plug in the name of your favorite prospects and let the best men win.

[Feel Real Good]

Sabby was 10x the athlete Grimm was, and Grimm was 10x the safety Sabby was. Perfect example. Every player needs to be a great athlete, but being above the NFL average with freakish athleticism doesn't mean squat if it's not accompanied by the intelligence, focus, and work ethic to make use of it.

And where is Grimm now?

Loved his heart and smarts but he was a boy amongst men....

He got hurt and will never be the same again but when he was healthy he was legitimately good.

[JDouble]

Sabby was 10x the athlete Grimm was, and Grimm was 10x the safety Sabby was. Perfect example. Every player needs to be a great athlete, but being above the NFL average with freakish athleticism doesn't mean squat if it's not accompanied by the intelligence, focus, and work ethic to make use of it.

And where is Grimm now?

Loved his heart and smarts but he was a boy amongst men....

He was injured twice. So far it doesn't look like he's going to come back from it. He was a beast as a rookie when he was healthy. Boy amongst men my ass.

[The Anti-Java]

Sabby was 10x the athlete Grimm was, and Grimm was 10x the safety Sabby was. Perfect example. Every player needs to be a great athlete, but being above the NFL average with freakish athleticism doesn't mean squat if it's not accompanied by the intelligence, focus, and work ethic to make use of it.

I would add instincts to the list.

[CaptainStagger]

Good....but that was his ceiling....

Good teams are 7-9 to 9-7

I'd like to be better than good....

[richbucsfan]

no

[Feel Real Good]

Good....but that was his ceiling....

Good teams are 7-9 to 9-7

I'd like to be better than good....

There are only a handful of safeties in the NFL significantly more athletic than Grimm. It's not a position where elite athletes play. We just used a top 10 draft pick on a safety who ran the exact same 40 as Grimm.

[Booker Reese]

I think Grimm is a much better athlete than he was given credit for, but that's not quite right FRG.

For one thing, Barron didn't participate in the combine (he was coming off hernia surgery). But at his pro-day he ran a 4.56 carrying an extra 10 pounds. Grimm ran a about 1/10 of a second slower than that at the combine.

[JDouble]

40 times determine how good a safety is? Right back to square one....smh

[bucinnj]

Good teams are 7-9 to 9-7

I'd like to be better than good....

Right on

[Feel Real Good]

I think Grimm is a much better athlete than he was given credit for, but that's not quite right FRG.

For one thing, Barron didn't participate in the combine (he was coming off hernia surgery). But at his pro-day he ran a 4.56 carrying an extra 10 pounds. Grimm ran a about 1/10 of a second slower than that at the combine.

1/100 not 1/10 slower.

[Booker Reese]

Grimm ran 4.64 at the combine.

And JD, you aren't paying attention - we are simply comparing Grimm and Barron's speed, not how they play safety, and both of us are arguing that Grimm is a good athlete.