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« #15 : February 05, 2013, 11:39:02 AM »

dominik has shown he's not afraid of questionable injuries.  grab him in the first, a guy like rhodes/ryan/davis in the second, and a guy like escobar/sims/williams in the 3rd...a quality CB and a martellus bennett (loadholt as gravy) and thats a pretty swell offseason in my mind.

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« #16 : February 05, 2013, 11:42:25 AM »


 "mild case of spinal stenosis." Pete Carroll and his staff had recommended him to stop playing football."

Too scary for me. I'm with Christine, I think our money would be better spent on a bromelain turbo assembler.

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« #17 : February 05, 2013, 11:54:35 AM »

"mild case of spinal stenosis." Pete Carroll and his staff had recommended him to stop playing football."

Too scary for me.

scary,  sure.  but its the same way that the Pats got gronk.  im more scared about the reports he isnt as good as von miller.

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« #18 : February 05, 2013, 12:03:19 PM »

There are pretty wildly divergent opinions out there on where Jones will go.  While it's certainly possible that he'll slip due to health concerns, I'm not sure it's a complete given.

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« #19 : February 05, 2013, 12:10:08 PM »

Up untill now I had written Jones off assuming he wouldn't slide to 13. I'd love to get him, watching his film Schiano must be salivating at his sack fumbles....

I bet half the board freaks out if we draft him though....a safety then a linebacker with two top picks. Not to mention a SLB who won't be on the field in nickel.

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« #20 : February 05, 2013, 12:18:05 PM »

Not to mention a SLB who won't be on the field in nickel.
I remain unconvinced that Jones couldn't slide down to DE on passing downs.  At the least, I would expect to see more 3-man fronts on passing downs with him rushing the passer from the LB position.  Whether or not that would be a good thing would wait to be seen, of course.  Traditionally, those have caused me to twitch as they NEVER seem to work.  With Jones in lieu of Black though, who knows?

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« #21 : February 05, 2013, 12:19:28 PM »


 " its the same way that the Pats got gronk."

Not even close I'm afraid. First of all, were talking about our first round pick, not our second. Secondly, Gronkowski injured his back lifting weights. Injuries usually heal. Spinal stenosis is not an injury, it is a degenerative condition that usually gets worse with age, and wear and tear. It is a giant red flag.

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« #22 : February 05, 2013, 12:23:01 PM »

Schiano did say we need to improve at blitzing.  Drafting Jones would definitely accomplish that goal, along with adding more beef on the interior front line i.e. drafting Hankins, Star, Jesse Williams.

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« #23 : February 05, 2013, 12:26:28 PM »

It's more the way that the Chargers got McNeill.  I think one could make a reasonable case that IF Jones played at at high level to an age comparable to what McNeill retired at, it would still be worth it.  Sure, you'd prefer to get a guy who'll be with your team for 10-15 years.  But there are worse things than having a quality player for 6-8 years or so.  It is yet another thing to go wrong though, of course.  If you don't get those years of top play, you're even more hosed than you would be otherwise.

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« #24 : February 05, 2013, 12:44:58 PM »

Not to mention a SLB who won't be on the field in nickel.

if he's drafted he better be rushing the passer in every passing situation.
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 " its the same way that the Pats got gronk."

Not even close I'm afraid. First of all, were talking about our first round pick, not our second. Secondly, Gronkowski injured his back lifting weights. Injuries usually heal. Spinal stenosis is not an injury, it is a degenerative condition that usually gets worse with age, and wear and tear. It is a giant red flag.

gronk slid due to injury concerns.  jones is rumored to slide to due injury concerns.  i sure wont argue that its the very exact identical situation, so are we just arguing to argue?

as for spinal stenosis, i dont know too much about it, im certainly no doctor.  charlie cambpell wrote this - "Jones' medical condition is a spinal stenosis that happened as a freshman at USC. On a routine hit against Oregon, Jones sustained the injury. A specialist told him he would be fine, but USC's doctors wouldn't clear him and told him he should retire from football. After transferring to Georgia, Jones broke out as one of the best players in college football. "

not sure if he's correct/incorrect.

and as acacius mentioned...if jones career turned out similar (i dont believe jones will be moved to LT) and we get 6-8 pro bowl caliber seasons of a passrusher...is it worth the pick?

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« #26 : February 05, 2013, 02:18:39 PM »


 " its the same way that the Pats got gronk."

Not even close I'm afraid. First of all, were talking about our first round pick, not our second. Secondly, Gronkowski injured his back lifting weights. Injuries usually heal. Spinal stenosis is not an injury, it is a degenerative condition that usually gets worse with age, and wear and tear. It is a giant red flag.

I'd add that Dominik's willingness to take risks has been limited to knees - I believe he mentioned that they have a good feel for knee injuries. I'd also point out that we were nervous about Marcus McNeil coming out of college - he also had stenosis. While Dom wasn't the boss then, Hickey was involved in draft, and likely most of the medical team.

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« #27 : February 05, 2013, 02:21:39 PM »

Reportedly Ray Perkins was told by Bucs' doctors that Keith McCants had 4 years left in his knee. His reply was something like, "that's all I need."

I'm not dead-set against it, but it's going to take a lot of medical tire-kicking first.

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« #28 : February 05, 2013, 03:17:55 PM »

" "Jones' medical condition is a spinal stenosis that happened as a freshman at USC. On a routine hit against Oregon, Jones sustained the injury."

Spinal stenosis is a narrowing of the spinal canal. How does something like that happen on a hit? (short of having your spine crushed) Doesn't make sense.

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« #29 : February 05, 2013, 03:26:08 PM »

It probably didn't happen but was discovered that way.

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