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#75 : February 10, 2013, 12:41:29 PM

Anything to say about the other record breaking stats that he put up?  If you don't think having poor options at two key positions would have some affect on his success, then I think your kinda crazy.  To be quite honest I'm perfectly happy with Freeman as our qb going forward, so enjoy your opportunity to complain more about him or HATE   

Record breaking? I don't know how long you've been a fan but our Buccaneer history has been has been comprised of nothing more than offensive suckage. Rather than judge Freeman against that, i prefer to judge him against his peers and there are QBs in this league today that are doing just fine without the same level of weaponry that Joshua has been provided.

And thanx.... i enjoy any opportunity that I have to discuss anything Buccaneer.

The record breaking stuff cracks me up. TBTrojan nailed a few weeks back.

It blows my mind that a guy who broke almost every single season passing record in Franchise history can be considered by many in the media and fanbase to be a horrible waste of time.

It blows my mind that people actually find him breaking those records impressive
What exactly did he do to impress, break records that were mostly held by Vinny Intercepteverde, WOW!!!
Maybe if we'd had any QBs in the past that had set the records at a level that meant something him breaking them might be impressive.
I mean he breaks the franchise record for most yards in a season, problem is there were 8 other QBs (a quarter of the league) last year alone that threw for more yardage.
Don't you also find it odd that passing records of all types are falling with ease the last few years?
Calvin Johnson didn't just break the receiving mark he blew it out the water
Until 2008 there was just one 5000 yard passing season in history, we've had 4 in the past 2 seasons, 7 of the top 10 seasons ever came in the past 2 years.
Headed into the 2011 the most passing yards allowed in one season was 4541(set by the 95 Falcons), that season now ranks 5th. 6 of the 7 worst seasons EVER came the past 2 years.
It used to be that the benchmark for a good season by a QB was 3000 yards and around 25 TDs, those numbers are laughable by todays standards.
Just look at our Super Bowl year and compare with this past season....
QBs throwing for 3000 yards
2002 - 17
2012 - 24
QBs throwing for 4000 yards
2002 - 4
2012 - 11
QBs throwing 25 or more TDs
2002 - 6
2012 - 12
QBs throwing 30 or more TDs
2002 - 0
2012 - 5
QBs who had a Rating of 90 or more (with at least 200 attempts)
2002 - 6
2012 - 12
QBs with a rating of 100 or more (with at least 200 attempts)
2002 - 2
2012 - 5

Are you honestly going to act like Josh breaking a few team records means anything when no offensive record in the league means a thing anymore.
The NFL has neutered defenses to the point that previous benchmarks for offensive records are expected to be matched by at least 2 QBs each season, if Drew Brees doesn't have 5000 yards now it's going to be considered an off year for him.
It's a joke.
Broke Bucs franchise records, who cares?


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#76 : February 10, 2013, 12:44:55 PM

Bingo!!!

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 I thought Lovie said he wanted quickness & speed, even at the QB position?

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#77 : February 10, 2013, 01:02:37 PM


 but i witnessed for a 5 game span some things i never dreamed i would see a bucs offence do, and thats enough for me to look past that rough skid that i think is still negatively impacting a lot of people's perception, and some of the less flattering and sometimes frustrating aspects of his game...for now. its possible to be positive and be logical about things at the same time

Wow...a whole five games?  Just so you know I am NOT a free basher.  Though he hasn't shown me that he can lead us to a Super Bowl YET, I feel that holding on to a few games is DANGEROUS.  Hoping he becomes that Free is going to set you up for some major disappointment.  Just like the Free haters waiting to see Josh at his worst.  It is more likely he is a career middle of the roader.  14th is probably accurate and five years from now, he may still be there.  I have "given" him this next season to break out and lead us to the playoffs.  If he can't?  Ditch him.  Mediocre is mediocre.  He threw for the most yards in his career but had a rating in the 20's.  Not good and if it wasn't for a small stretch of games he would have had a mediocre to poor season.  THAT is the issue.  The inconsistency.

The time is now.  2013 or bust for Josh.  Anyone thinking otherwise is a fool.  Five years is more than enough time to see if a QB or GM or anyone in TODAY'S league.

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#78 : February 10, 2013, 01:14:38 PM

If we were seeing improvement, i'd agree with ya. Problem is as the season progressed and he got more comfortable with his new system, his play got worse. Care to offer up and explanation for that??

After bye week through Eagles game
169/263 (64%), 2402 yards, 9.1 ypa (madden numbers), 20 TDs, 4 INTs, 112.7 rating

Yea, play obviously got worse as he got comfortable in the system.

You put too much stock in the last 3 games when the season was a lost cause. Players and coaches check out. You don't have to like it but that's reality.


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#79 : February 10, 2013, 01:29:36 PM

If we were seeing improvement, i'd agree with ya. Problem is as the season progressed and he got more comfortable with his new system, his play got worse. Care to offer up and explanation for that??

After bye week through Eagles game
169/263 (64%), 2402 yards, 9.1 ypa (madden numbers), 20 TDs, 4 INTs, 112.7 rating

Yea, play obviously got worse as he got comfortable in the system.

You put too much stock in the last 3 games when the season was a lost cause. Players and coaches check out. You don't have to like it but that's reality.

If you thought Freeman played well in weeks 11, 12, and 13...then you are a lost cause and reality has escaped you.


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#80 : February 10, 2013, 01:43:24 PM

You put too much stock in the last 3 games when the season was a lost cause. Players and coaches check out. You don't have to like it but that's reality.

If our QB checked out with playoffs within reach, then his issues are greater than i thought.

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#81 : February 10, 2013, 01:58:58 PM

I'm sure that reality has escaped me in that case...  his stats from those games aren't special but within the context of the game he beat the Panthers with some late game heroics.  At that point in the year the panthers started playing much better and finished off as one of the league's hottest teams.  Then he got us in position to beat the Falcons and we were a long field goal away from winning that one.  The loss to the Broncos wasn't great but they were pretty much the best team in the AFC.  We had the lead coming out of halftime then the D let peyton walk all over us in the third q and Freeman made a costly error trying to keep up with Peyton.  That's happened to lots of really good qb's.  After that the season was over, things change in the players minds, doens't excuse it but it happens.  Those three games don't seem to me like reasons to prepare to ditch a qb and throw our hats in the crapshoot of first round NFL qb's.

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#82 : February 10, 2013, 02:03:27 PM

If we were seeing improvement, i'd agree with ya. Problem is as the season progressed and he got more comfortable with his new system, his play got worse. Care to offer up and explanation for that??

After bye week through Eagles game
169/263 (64%), 2402 yards, 9.1 ypa (madden numbers), 20 TDs, 4 INTs, 112.7 rating

Yea, play obviously got worse as he got comfortable in the system.

You put too much stock in the last 3 games when the season was a lost cause. Players and coaches check out. You don't have to like it but that's reality.

BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  A small sample of games doesn't make a career and how can you even try to argue that way?  He peaked in some early games.  How do you finish when they going gets tough.  Oh, the team gave up including our leader?  That's not a leader and putting more qweight into game 6 than game 14 is stupid.  You nutjobs are as bad as the Free haters. 

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#83 : February 10, 2013, 02:06:59 PM

Oh...and BTW...the NFL counts all 16 games for you dumb fvcks that are trying to portray a smaller set of games as the real Josh Freeman vs the whole season Josh Freeman.  Wow, I never knew we had people this stupid walking the earth.  Just like those last games aren't the entire real Josh either.  It would be like a Patriot fan taking a bad five game stretch of Tom Brady and trying to convince us that he's a bad quarterback.  WTF???!!!!  I pray you do not infect the gene pool by having children.

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#84 : February 10, 2013, 02:13:54 PM

I'm sure that reality has escaped me in that case...  his stats from those games aren't special but within the context of the game he beat the Panthers with some late game heroics.  At that point in the year the panthers started playing much better and finished off as one of the league's hottest teams.  Then he got us in position to beat the Falcons and we were a long field goal away from winning that one.  The loss to the Broncos wasn't great but they were pretty much the best team in the AFC.  We had the lead coming out of halftime then the D let peyton walk all over us in the third q and Freeman made a costly error trying to keep up with Peyton.  That's happened to lots of really good qb's.  After that the season was over, things change in the players minds, doens't excuse it but it happens.  Those three games don't seem to me like reasons to prepare to ditch a qb and throw our hats in the crapshoot of first round NFL qb's.

I actually misspoke. I thought Freeman played well in the Falcons game...but in the other 2 his play was bad...and the D against the Donks wasn't helped by the offense not sustaing any sort of drive after the 1st quarter, and Trendon Holiday was excellent and gave the Broncos excellent field position all throughout the 3rd qtr. No one isssaying that 3 games defines Freeman and is a reason to ditch him...but he does need to show some consistency...or he will be allowed to walk.


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#85 : February 10, 2013, 02:43:25 PM

If we were seeing improvement, i'd agree with ya. Problem is as the season progressed and he got more comfortable with his new system, his play got worse. Care to offer up and explanation for that??

After bye week through Eagles game
169/263 (64%), 2402 yards, 9.1 ypa (madden numbers), 20 TDs, 4 INTs, 112.7 rating

Yea, play obviously got worse as he got comfortable in the system.

You put too much stock in the last 3 games when the season was a lost cause. Players and coaches check out. You don't have to like it but that's reality.

Does this reality only exist on Freepologist Island?


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#86 : February 10, 2013, 02:47:18 PM

Instead let's populate the gene pool with angry trolls who join in on football conversations, on a football website with insults and generalities. 

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#87 : February 10, 2013, 02:48:40 PM

Instead let's populate the gene pool with angry trolls who join in on football conversations, on a football website with insults and generalities.

i prefer to keep it civil

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#88 : February 10, 2013, 02:50:15 PM

@chace I've talked as much Free as I can.  I'm part of the minority that's content with him going forward and think that he can take us into the playoffs.

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#89 : February 10, 2013, 02:54:32 PM

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