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« #15 : February 10, 2013, 10:57:51 AM »
Quote from: Hate on February 10, 2013, 02:24:32 AM
Eli, Ryan, Freeman and Schaub too high. Brees and Romo too low.

What QBs that are below Ryan would you move ahead of him?
Quote from: jerseybucsfan on December 10, 2012, 12:32:48 AM
Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.

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« #16 : February 10, 2013, 11:10:22 AM »
Schaub isn't that good, just on a stacked team.

Kaepernick and Wilson took over teams who A. had top 4 defenses. B won playoff games recently with Alex Smith and Matt Hasslebeck. This is where all these Freeman hate stems from.

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« #17 : February 10, 2013, 11:14:06 AM »
     Middle of the pack is where Josh belongs. With several others. Very up-and-down from week-to-week when you're stuck in the pack.
     Break free, Josh, just BREAK FREE!

     Original article in the Times is kinda screwed up. Kinda mashed Eli & Tom Brady together; came out Eli was 35...
     http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bucs/article1274601.ece

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« #18 : February 10, 2013, 01:50:45 PM »
Quote from: JC5100 on February 10, 2013, 11:10:22 AM
Schaub isn't that good, just on a stacked team.

Kaepernick and Wilson took over teams who A. had top 4 defenses. B won playoff games recently with Alex Smith and Matt Hasslebeck. This is where all these Freeman hate stems from.

The Freeman "hate" stems from Freeman's erratic play.  The sooner you realize this and quit cherry-picking your stats, the better off you'll be.

And this is a poor-to-awful list.

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« #19 : February 10, 2013, 01:52:58 PM »
When debating a player's performance, i've never in my life seen someone pick and choose thru games so much to try and make a point.
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« #20 : February 10, 2013, 03:23:57 PM »
Freeman should be right around 16th or 17th, which is why he drives us crazy.
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« #21 : February 10, 2013, 05:00:58 PM »
Quote from: chace1986 on February 10, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
Quote from: Hate on February 10, 2013, 02:24:32 AM
Eli, Ryan, Freeman and Schaub too high. Brees and Romo too low.

What QBs that are below Ryan would you move ahead of him?



Cutler for one.  And he has the 4 rooks right behind Ryan.  That is ok for now, but I look for them to bypass Ryan after next season.   Kap, Russell. Luck and RG III

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« #22 : February 11, 2013, 12:01:12 AM »
Quote from: Deberg on February 10, 2013, 03:01:45 AM
Considering the article was written by a homer Tampa boy, that explains why Freeman is so ridiculously overrated on that list.   Kaepernick #9?   What a laugh.

Here's a more realistic list.   (There are some backup QB's who would be ahead of many on this list, but I'll only list the starters.)

1. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
2. Tom Brady, Patriots
3. Peyton Manning, Broncos
4. Drew Brees, Saints
5. Matt Ryan, Falcons
6. Eli Manning, Giants
7. Andrew Luck, Colts
8. Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers
9. Tony Romo, Cowboys
10. Robert Griffin III, Redskins
11. Matt Stafford, Lions
12. Joe Flacco, Ravens
13. Cam Newton, Panthers
14. Russell Wilson, Seahawks
15. Matt Schaub, Texans
16. Philip Rivers, Chargers
17. Sam Bradford, Rams
18. Jay Cutler, Bears
19. Colin Kaepernick, 49ers
20. Christian Ponder, Vikings
21. Andy Dalton, Bengals
22. Michael Vick, Eagles
23. Ryan Tannehill, Dolphins
24. Mark Sanchez, Jets
25. Josh Freeman, Bucs
26. Carson Palmer, Raiders
27. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bills
28. Jake Locker, Titans
29. Matt Cassel, Chiefs
30. Brandon Weeden, Browns
31. Chad Henne, Jaguars
32. Kevin Kolb, Cardinals

Not sure which list is worse, yours or the OP's. Both are garbage.

Mark Sanchez and Christian Ponder over Josh Freeman? Andrew Luck over Big Ben? Matt Stafford over Joe Flacco? Are you serious dude?

For the OP's list, Eli Manning at #3 is hilarious. Peyton is too low. Freeman is too high. Romo, Rivers and possibly Cutler and Newton should be higher than him.

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« #23 : February 11, 2013, 12:57:34 AM »
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Brees
Eli Manning
Rothlisberger
Ryan
Kaepernick
Flaco
Newton
Stafford
Luck
RG3
Schuab
Rivers
Wilson
Cutler
Vick
Romo
Bradford
Tannehill
Freeman
Dalton
Ponder
Sanchez
Palmer
Weeden
Locker
Fitzpatrick
Henne
Kolb
Casel


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« #24 : February 11, 2013, 01:00:45 AM »
Quote from: Pepsi on February 11, 2013, 12:57:34 AM
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Brees
Eli Manning
Rothlisberger
Ryan
Kaepernick
Flaco
Newton
Stafford
Luck
RG3
Schuab
Rivers
Wilson
Cutler
Vick
Romo
Bradford
Tannehill
Freeman
Dalton
Ponder
Sanchez
Palmer
Weeden
Locker
Fitzpatrick
Henne
Kolb
Casel




Not bad.  I would put Wilson a bit higher. Up there with Kap.

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« #25 : February 11, 2013, 01:19:25 PM »
Quote from: Pepsi on February 11, 2013, 12:57:34 AM
Rodgers
Brady
Manning
Brees
Eli Manning
Rothlisberger
Ryan
Kaepernick
Flaco
Newton
Stafford
Luck
RG3
Schuab
Rivers
Wilson
Cutler
Vick
Romo
Bradford
Tannehill
Freeman
Dalton
Ponder
Sanchez
Palmer
Weeden
Locker
Fitzpatrick
Henne
Kolb
Casel

Romo is way too low, Kaepernick is too high, Stafford is wayyyyy too high. Why is everyone so obsessed with Stafford? He's had one really good year, that's it. And he has the best WR in the NFL. He makes a ton of awful decisions.

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« #26 : February 11, 2013, 01:34:31 PM »
Pepsi - Pretty good list.  Only things I see that could be big misses are Dalton.  He doesn't have the best team around him, but he has played really well.  Also, Vick is pretty bad now... he could be in the mid 20's.

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« #27 : February 11, 2013, 02:43:59 PM »
Quote from: chace1986 on February 10, 2013, 01:18:10 AM
Rivers and Romo before Freeman. 14 is too high.
Yuck.. Freeman is better than those 2

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« #28 : February 11, 2013, 04:06:45 PM »
Only 14th !!!   Rubbish!!  Simply not good enough !! Run Freeman out of town!!!

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« #29 : February 11, 2013, 04:51:24 PM »
Quote from: youngone on February 11, 2013, 02:43:59 PM
Quote from: chace1986 on February 10, 2013, 01:18:10 AM
Rivers and Romo before Freeman. 14 is too high.
Yuck.. Freeman is better than those 2

There is certainly the potential of greater upside with Freeman, but as of 2/11/13, Freeman is better than neither Romo nor Rivers, IMO.
Quote from: jerseybucsfan on December 10, 2012, 12:32:48 AM
Actually the problem isnt that Freeman stinks. He is average. He puts up good numbers just often enough to make you think he is better than he is. Bad and great are convincing. But mediocre makes you live with the delusion for too many years. He is just good enough to waste our time and not good enough to get us where we want to go.
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