Schiano's horribly conservative decision making routinely hurts the Buccaneers

[chace1986]

It's even ridiculous for him to say "routinely hurts". The dude has been the HC for 16 games. With such a small sample size, I'm not sure we can accurately make such a statement about many of the aspects that entails Greg Schiano's characteristics as a HC.

[RHBucsFan]

yes, "the D" cost us more games than Schiano, BUT.....in many cases the D was on the field because Schiano got conservative on offense and looked to prefer handing off the result of the game to a completely overmatched defense in the first place. Not sure why he did that sometimes last season. Our defense of last year was not a group that I wanted to rely on to shut down the game. He should have played to his strength which was the offense. I bet he learned from this though.

[VA_Buc30]

Here's an interesting article on why coaches should go for it more often:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/sports/football/calculating-footballs-risk-of-not-punting-on-fourth-down.html?_r=0

"David Romer, a professor of political economy at the University of California, Berkeley, published a paper in 2005 on the statistics of punting that has become the gospel for the antipunting faction. Romer, who analyzed data from N.F.L. games from 1998 to 2004, determined, among other things, that teams should not punt when facing fourth-and-4 yards or less, regardless of field position."

[blind melon]

Let's not kid ourselves...   we as fans are unhappy if they're not aggressive,  we as fans are unhappy if they are and don't succeed...   the only time we are is when we are aggressive and succeed or if there is no apparent need to be aggressive because we're coasting to a win... (and even in that circumstance, I think most would rather us just keep the pedal down.)

[Bucs N Beers]

Here's an interesting article on why coaches should go for it more often:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/sports/football/calculating-footballs-risk-of-not-punting-on-fourth-down.html?_r=0

"David Romer, a professor of political economy at the University of California, Berkeley, published a paper in 2005 on the statistics of punting that has become the gospel for the antipunting faction. Romer, who analyzed data from N.F.L. games from 1998 to 2004, determined, among other things, that teams should not punt when facing fourth-and-4 yards or less, regardless of field position."

That's all fun and games to talk about and play on Madden. But if a coach does that and it costs games, especially multiple games, he WILL lose his job. Even if it has worked positively a few times.

I'm a believer in punting and playing defense. The problem last year was that Helen Keller could throw for 300 yards against that pass D. Now imagine Schiano goes for it on 4th and 4 from his own 40 and fails, Helen Keller then comes in and throws a 40 yard TD. See ya coach!

[JDouble]

Going for it on 4th down is all mental. The odds show it is almost always better to go for it. As long as you create a culture that excepts it and your players do it every day in camp and get use to it so they don't think twice about it, rather than crumbling under the do or die mentality of going for it on 4th down....you're good to go.

I think Chip Kelly will go for it a lot on 4th down this year and if he has great success with it, he might just change the game.

[Bucs N Beers]

If Chip doesn't make it on 4th down and he loses a couple games because of it, Eagles fans may actually murder him.

But I agree, if it works, it will change the game. High risk, high reward. I'd still rather punt.

[GameTime]

it will be interesting to see what kelly does.  i like going for it on 4th as much as the next fan...but you cant analyze momentum with statistics.

[Rat]

Schiano is a slave to the process of preparation. He faced like criticism of dubious game time decisions while at Rutgers too.
Reminds me of Dungy in a several ways.

[BigSombrero1]

The guy wrote an article on it last season.  He is seriously condoning going for it on almost every 4th down.  Its insane.  He just doesn't believe field position matters.  He also made the most ridiculous argument against kicking field goals as well:

"While if you punt, you’re gaining what, 25-30 yards of field position on a good punt? And if you kick a field goal, which you don’t even make that often, you get three points. Except when you don’t make, and then suddenly the opponent gets the ball at the 47 rather than the 40. That’s not better, either."

What?  You don't make field goals that often?  And 25-30 yards on a good punt?  Does he even watch football?  Just a dumb statement by someone trying as hard as he can to prove a ridiculous point.

[JDouble]

it will be interesting to see what kelly does.  i like going for it on 4th as much as the next fan...but you cant analyze momentum with statistics.

Well that's what I mean about changing the culture of the team. They have to take on a whole new outlook on it and not get down on themselves when they go for it and fail. It's goota become second nature, just another down. I think that is the only way it works.

[Spoolios]

The poker lesson re: aggressiveness should have been more about math and probability rather than a meaningless, "Poker rewards the aggressive, so football probably will too". That said, I feel like it was the aggressiveness of the defense that often got the team in trouble.

[Ladyfan]

I thought his offense was pretty vanilla last year which was understandable.  He was too predictable on many occasions.  But he was a rookie.  I am hoping his friendship with Belichek may broaden his coaching mindset.   QB sneaks. 

[The Anti-Java]

Once the D gets rolling, I think we will see him go for it a lot more.  Having Revis and co. back there, will make a huge difference.

[Detrimental]

Wow, ultra reach.


Boost.

Wasted time reading that trash.