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#7005 : April 18, 2013, 08:30:12 PM

I think if we were going to get Revis, it would have happened by now.Tomorrow at the very latest we should hear something.

why tomorrow?

Because we need a few days to evaluate him before the trade is finalized. When I say "hear something" I mean like hearing that Revis is in Tampa visiting a doctor or that one of our team doctors is in New York, that kind of thing.


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#7006 : April 18, 2013, 08:40:17 PM

Any chance revis and his agent would fight that trade? Idk the legalities of it, but I'm assuming revis wouldn't want to go to the browns.No one ever does.

No team is gonna trade for MEvis absent a new deal....therefore, he controls where he goes.

Valid point.

They, afterall, can't make him sign a deal with another team, and no team will "rent" him out for only a season for a first (even if they're close).

However, if your words have truth, what stops him from pointing fingers at what team he wants to go to? Greed? Idzik?

I know if I were him, and they threatened me with the Browns, I'd take a paycut to go elsewhere. Hopefully his version of the browns is not Tampa bay.

Well Revis would have to be insane to consider going to the Browns with the owner under investigation for Tax fraud (or worse). The Browns are not going to be attractive to Revis and frankly I don't think the Browns have any interest. The only game in town is the Bucs, the only question left is if Idzik will play.

I think he will, for a couple of reasons not the least that Jets do want to move him. Idzik and Dom are friends and both shared good times working for the Bucs. I think Idzik will make the deal because of his ties to Dom and the Bucs, but he's not going to let the Bucs take too much advantage of him either. The Revis deal can't be a draft day deal because Dom will want Buc doctors to examine Revis and he'll want a signed contract in hand before making the deal. Best guess is that 72 hours before the draft is probably the last reasonable point at which the deal goes down IF the Jets want any 2013 picks. So I think something will happen close to Monday/Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bucs end up sweeting the deal (whatever it currently really is) a bit will a low level pick to make it happen, but I'm still thinking this is pretty much a certainty that it's going to happen.

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#7007 : April 18, 2013, 09:01:15 PM

I think the NFL knows something with that schedule. They love to pump stuff up like returns, and with a bad Jets team, what's a way to pump them up? Bring Revis back week 1


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#7008 : April 18, 2013, 09:02:37 PM

Jets will just keep him until the trade deadline now...


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#7009 : April 18, 2013, 09:23:44 PM

Ive been on board with bringing in Revis for much of the offseason, but only at the right cost, which apparently is below what the Jets are asking if you believe the reports. Im very quickly changing my tune to leave him be, and if he proves hes back at 100% sign him next off season when he more than likely will become a free agent IMO, like Goldson this year.


Only trouble with that is, the price will skyrocket.

Skyrocket to what?  Keep in mind he will be 29 years old going into the 2014 season and teams still have to meet the cap and be able to keep other players. I have doubts the price would go up at all.  Even if the price did go up a couple million, I'd rather pay a little more next year knowing he didn't lose a step or worse.  Unfortunately, though, this is all moot for the deal is inevitable and will happen before draft day.





Increased competition for him will always drive up the price.  Now its just the Bucs. If he makes it to free agency, 31 teams could be interested. And say only half of those teams could afford him. That would still be 15 or so teams bidding. 

Hell, just having 2 teams bidding will drive up the price.  The Bucs are very fortunate this deal fell out of the heavens.  And they just happen to have the cap room at this point in time. I hope they take advantage of the situation.


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#7010 : April 18, 2013, 10:09:39 PM

Any chance revis and his agent would fight that trade? Idk the legalities of it, but I'm assuming revis wouldn't want to go to the browns.No one ever does.

No team is gonna trade for MEvis absent a new deal....therefore, he controls where he goes.

Valid point.

They, afterall, can't make him sign a deal with another team, and no team will "rent" him out for only a season for a first (even if they're close).

However, if your words have truth, what stops him from pointing fingers at what team he wants to go to? Greed? Idzik?

I know if I were him, and they threatened me with the Browns, I'd take a paycut to go elsewhere. Hopefully his version of the browns is not Tampa bay.

Well Revis would have to be insane to consider going to the Browns with the owner under investigation for Tax fraud (or worse). The Browns are not going to be attractive to Revis and frankly I don't think the Browns have any interest. The only game in town is the Bucs, the only question left is if Idzik will play.

I think he will, for a couple of reasons not the least that Jets do want to move him. Idzik and Dom are friends and both shared good times working for the Bucs. I think Idzik will make the deal because of his ties to Dom and the Bucs, but he's not going to let the Bucs take too much advantage of him either. The Revis deal can't be a draft day deal because Dom will want Buc doctors to examine Revis and he'll want a signed contract in hand before making the deal. Best guess is that 72 hours before the draft is probably the last reasonable point at which the deal goes down IF the Jets want any 2013 picks. So I think something will happen close to Monday/Tuesday. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bucs end up sweeting the deal (whatever it currently really is) a bit will a low level pick to make it happen, but I'm still thinking this is pretty much a certainty that it's going to happen.

I also think it's a done deal. But for the sake of argument, hate has a legitimate point.

IF say, a team like Indy drops some cap room somehow, they could theoretically buy up revis, if revis himself denied a contract to anyone but them.

This late in the game my gut says no, but with the way the jets have handled this make me (and almost everyone else) question what they're really up to, or even if they themselves know what they're doing. As posters before me stated, they could just say no to the bucs over and over again to raise up the price, the bucs say forget it, and somehow some other team gets him for a song.

Also, I do think they will show off this already completed, but unannounced trade during draft. It helps both teams a bit if the outside the trade teams don't see it coming.

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#7011 : April 18, 2013, 10:21:27 PM

i think they'd prefer trading him to the NFC....not sure how big of a deal that is.

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#7012 : April 18, 2013, 11:05:35 PM

Well, it does cut out half the NFL.. then figure cash strapped teams, so half of that half.

All in all, we're talking maybe five teams that are able and willing.

For once it might be a good thing Tampa is one of the better teams out of the losing teams. Especially if revis wants to get paid, but still hopes for contention.

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#7013 : April 18, 2013, 11:09:18 PM

why does Revis have to be greedy cause he wants big money? football isn't a long career, hes arguably the best corner- def had one of the best seasons for a corner. he already had one injury, as long he doesn't miss extra time that isn't injury related (ie holdout) i think hes playing it smart. so yeah, how else would you want the Glazers to spend the money to improve the team? Corners being the obvious smack you in the face weakness, and us having 30mill to spend with nobody else in the market even... Revis may always complain about what hes getting paid, but the guy is all business on the field. Don't remember him ever being faulted for being a showmen. imo draft is deep with corners also revis+draft addition+goldson=a lot better then last year, no?

This is what I think about the Glazers being cheap...

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#7014 : April 18, 2013, 11:30:18 PM

This stew's been boiling for far too long.

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#7015 : April 19, 2013, 12:14:37 AM

If we don't get a deal done for revis, our secondary wont improve from what It was last year. I'm hoping for a deal in the next few days

I disagree. It'll improve slightly with goldson alone. He being a good coverage safety will allow Barron to play closer to the box & be more of a run stuffer which is where he accels. If barber comes back I could potentially see us playing more three safety sets unless he potentially moves back to corner which I'm not sure he can with his age.

Plus I'm sure we'll be drafting a corner early regardless if we trade for revis
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#7016 : April 19, 2013, 12:24:29 AM



Darrelle Revis trade rumors: the myth of a diva




By Sander Philipse

on Apr 18 2013, 5:40p




The Star-Ledger-US PRESSWIRE



 

Is Darrelle Revis a diva? Is he a malcontent? Will he be a distraction, a problem in the locker room, a bad character? Those are some of the questions I keep seeing, and I'm a little baffled by them. Darrelle Revis has held out twice, yes -- but he was never a bad character. The issue was never how hard he worked to be a good player, or his functioning in the locker room, or even being a distraction while he's with the team.
 
There's only one issue with Darrelle Revis: he wants to get paid. That's what every contract has been about. When he held out as a rookie, it was about money. When he held out in 2010 coming off arguably the best season a cornerback has ever had, it was about money. Nothing else. I can't begrudge a man wanting to get paid, and I don't see how this would be a problem anyway. If the Buccaneers are going to trade for Revis, they will pay him very, very well. He will get the money he wants.
 
So if he gets the money he wants, what's the problem?
 
Former Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli still thinks it's a problem, though. Here's what he said about Revis on Sirius XM NFL Radio.
 

I've talked to other general managers who love Darrelle as a player, but there is some concern around the league. Is this player ever going to be happy? Now he has rewarded the Jets, he has given the Jets tremendous performance over the course of his contract. The flip side of that is the Jets have rewarded him handsomely from a financial standpoint.
 
But there's always been noise along with his contract. For one reason or another something always comes out about him wanting more money, him wanting a new contract. And if you're a team that's going to take on Darrelle Revis, yes you want this player. He's going to be one of the best workers on your team, he's going to lead, he's going to show up on Sunday. But you don't want the other noise that comes with it, because it just becomes a distraction.

 


To me, the key phrases aren't the distractions. That's all about contracts, and will disappear when he does get rewarded (as it has in the past). Note the other things Pioli did say: he talked about Revis being one of the best workers on the team, leading, and playing on Sunday. That, to me, is the key, not the fact that he wants to get paid. Every NFL player wants to get paid. So why not pay them, if they're worth it? And no, I don't buy that nonsense about being a man of your word and sticking to a contract for a second. NFL teams never do, so why should players? Holdouts are their only recourse. They can't quite and sign with another team.
 
So what about those holdouts?
 
Well, let's look at the history of Revis' contract rumblings. It's not that complicated. It started before he signed his first rookie contract, when he held out for more money. He was the fourteenth pick in the draft and his contract eventually compared favorably with the previous year's pick, as he managed to finagle $1 million more in guaranteed money. Well done, Revis -- and we didn't hear him talk about his contract anymore until 2010.
 
That's when Revis was entering the final year of his contract and when he was coming off quite possibly the best season a cornerback had ever had. He was the best cornerback in the NFL, and he was playing on a contract worth around $4 million per year, if I reverse engineered the numbers from NYJetsCap.com correctly. That's not a lot of money for the best cornerback in the NFL and arguably the best defensive player in the NFL at the time. It's not dissimilar from Donald Penn's stance back in 2010, either -- and no one's complaining about his being a malcontent.
 
After a protracted holdout, Revis signed in 2010 what was essentially a four-year deal worth $46 million with the New York Jets. That was a very respectable $11 million per year and near the top of the market for cornerbacks, but it didn't come close to Nnamdi Asomugha's $15 million per year deal. It also didn't come close to the top of the market at other non-quarterback positions, where pass-rushers were leading the league with deals from $12 to $14 million. So did he hold out for some ridiculous contract? No, not really. He certainly got paid well, but all the rhetoric and hyperbole about being the highest-paid defender was just bluster.
 
Here's another notable fact about that Darrelle Revis deal: it's filled with provisions preventing him from holding out. Most notably, if he does hold out, three years at a salary of $3 million per year get tacked onto his deal -- well below what he makes over the rest of his contract.
 
Did we then see malcontent Revis resurface? No. He didn't talk about wanting more money at any point after that. No reports came out about him wanting more money. There were a few rumblings about wanting a long-term contract in 2012. Those reports didn't focus on money, but just on the fact that Revis had two years left on his deal and wanted to be a Jet in the long term. He didn't threaten to hold out (because he couldn't) and didn't miss any significant offseason work. He didn't complain about the terms of his contract, and in fact repeatedly noted that he had no problem with his contract.
 
And ultimately, Revis did not get a contract extension, and he didn't mention any real offseason work. There was no holdout, and the distraction was minor. More importantly, though, there was a clearly defined reason: he did not have a long-term contract.
 
As you may note, Revis hasn't caused problems in the locker room. He has been a hard worker and a very good player on the field throughout his tenure. And his contract complaints disappeared after signing a contract. Yes, complaints re-appeared, but only when his deals were nearing an end.
 
Will this be an issue for the Buccaneers?
 
It shouldn't be, for a number of reasons. First, the Bucs will give Revis a massive contract if they manage to trade for him. That would take care of Revis' objections for at least the first three or four years of his contract, if not longer. More importantly: the Bucs can build in simple clauses in his contract to prevent holdouts, similar to the ones the Jets built into his current contract.
 
And for those of you worried that Revis would then stink it up in the regular season: he hasn't done that before. He's always been a good worker when he was in town. So those worries are, essentially, baseless.
 
If the Bucs do trade for Darrelle Revis, they won't contract any contract headaches for at least three years, and probably for the lifetime of that deal. And if those headaches do show up, they can simply ignore them. They'll build provisions into the contract that will neuter Revis' ability to turn himself into a distraction. Problem solved.
 
You can worry about a lot of things in this potential trade: Revis' health, his ability to get back to his normal level of play and the price the Bucs would have to pay the Jets and him to acquire him. One thing you don't need to worry about is Revis' penchant for holdouts.




http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/4/18/4240166/darrelle-revis-trade-rumors-the-myth-of-a-diva

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#7017 : April 19, 2013, 12:50:03 AM

If we don't get a deal done for revis, our secondary wont improve from what It was last year. I'm hoping for a deal in the next few days
Even without Revis I think our pass defense will be decently better than last year. We now have a top 2 free safety to go with a very young and very talented SS that is one year better in this system. Add that to Eric Wright how was brought here because coach likes his skill set in his system and he will be injury free and playing for his career. Our 2 youngest and most promising corners Johnson and Gaitor are also one year better in this system and Gaitor played pretty good at end of year after coming back from his injury. I'm sure we will add at least one corner between rounds 1 and 3 so add him to the mix as well. Nothing helps a secondary more than a good pass rush and a healthy Clayborn and Bowers will be worth more than what Bennett gave us last year so factor that in as well. I see our pass D being good enough to hit into the 20-24 range up from 32 all without Revis and that with a top 5 rush defense could get this team into playoffs for sure. No need to trade our future for one guy, just steal him in FA next year.

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#7018 : April 19, 2013, 02:15:33 AM

If we don't get a deal done for revis, our secondary wont improve from what It was last year. I'm hoping for a deal in the next few days
Even without Revis I think our pass defense will be decently better than last year. We now have a top 2 free safety to go with a very young and very talented SS that is one year better in this system. Add that to Eric Wright how was brought here because coach likes his skill set in his system and he will be injury free and playing for his career. Our 2 youngest and most promising corners Johnson and Gaitor are also one year better in this system and Gaitor played pretty good at end of year after coming back from his injury. I'm sure we will add at least one corner between rounds 1 and 3 so add him to the mix as well. Nothing helps a secondary more than a good pass rush and a healthy Clayborn and Bowers will be worth more than what Bennett gave us last year so factor that in as well. I see our pass D being good enough to hit into the 20-24 range up from 32 all without Revis and that with a top 5 rush defense could get this team into playoffs for sure. No need to trade our future for one guy, just steal him in FA next year.

+1 swamp. Good post.

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#7019 : April 19, 2013, 02:17:54 AM

Now that we are within seven days of the draft the Revis talk is going to be insane. It shall be a eventful week in and of itself to say the least.


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