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« #30 : February 13, 2013, 01:40:21 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

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« #31 : February 13, 2013, 03:33:35 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

LOL!  ;D Exactly!

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« #32 : February 13, 2013, 05:28:00 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

No one is saying this other than maybe 1 or 2 people.

Keep on overreacting though.


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« #33 : February 13, 2013, 07:07:47 PM »

more than 1 or 2

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 I thought Lovie said he wanted quickness & speed, even at the QB position?

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« #34 : February 14, 2013, 11:53:43 AM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

No one is saying this other than maybe 1 or 2 people.

Keep on overreacting though.

Not sure how that's overreacting. I admit I don't have any truthful stats to back it up, but i'll say 75% of the Freepologists claim that Freeman played well, our losses came from defensive collapses. And i believe that is lowballing the percentage.

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« #35 : February 14, 2013, 11:59:28 AM »

Bottom line is guy needs to play better in 2013 or he will likely be gone. Really he should be better this season since its year 2 of being in the offense, defense should be better, I mean the whole team should be better. So therefore, he should have a better season statistically. If he does that then he will likely get a new deal here. How would people feel about that?? Not sure if some people would like that since they have invested so much time and emotion hating on the guy. I agree with the criticism this year but for the people who arent "Freepologists": what does he need to do in 2013 to win you over?? I think he will be a better player, how much I dont know. I think it will be enough for him to get a new contract here though. Just my prediction if things get better as they should.

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« #36 : February 14, 2013, 12:21:42 PM »

more than 1 or 2

Tell me who exactly is saying this then if it is more than 1 or 2 people.


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« #37 : February 14, 2013, 12:24:55 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

No one is saying this other than maybe 1 or 2 people.

Keep on overreacting though.

Not sure how that's overreacting. I admit I don't have any truthful stats to back it up, but i'll say 75% of the Freepologists claim that Freeman played well, our losses came from defensive collapses. And i believe that is lowballing the percentage.

Most of our losses did come from defensive collapses. That's not being a Freepologist, that's being realistic about the situation.

Freeman deserves a lot of the blame for the Cowboys and Rams game, but other than that, he wasn't the main reason why we lost games this year. Tell me what other games he played so bad in where it was his fault and not the defense's.
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« #38 : February 14, 2013, 12:38:56 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

No one is saying this other than maybe 1 or 2 people.

Keep on overreacting though.

Not sure how that's overreacting. I admit I don't have any truthful stats to back it up, but i'll say 75% of the Freepologists claim that Freeman played well, our losses came from defensive collapses. And i believe that is lowballing the percentage.

Most of our losses did come from defensive collapses. That's not being a Freepologist, that's being realistic about the situation.

Freeman deserves a lot of the blame for the Cowboys and Rams game, but other than that, he wasn't a big reason why we lost games this year. Tell me what other games he played so bad in where it was his fault and not the defense's.


Naturally the QB gets most of the criticism in losses. He has his share of bad plays in losses but so does the rest of the team. Its a team game. In those losses the defense should have made some plays and Freeman should have. In the games they won they won together. But in the wins Freeman had some bad passes too and the defense made some plays when Freeman needed the defense to. It all works together. But naturally in losses to the fans, the QB gets the most criticism because he has the ball the most. Its just how the usual fan thinks. Ive gotten over it. You arent going to win this argument because this is how the majority of fans think. Blame is the big thing in our country and it always seems to fall on one guy. Never a collected effort. So I think for the "freepologists" your fighting a fight that your just not going to win. Id say drop it and hope the man comes out in 2013 and has a better season. Its very possible that he does that. Whether your a "freepologist" or not, the reality is that he could do that and get an extension next year. Whether some of us fans like it or not.
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« #39 : February 14, 2013, 01:33:46 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

No one is saying this other than maybe 1 or 2 people.

Keep on overreacting though.

Not sure how that's overreacting. I admit I don't have any truthful stats to back it up, but i'll say 75% of the Freepologists claim that Freeman played well, our losses came from defensive collapses. And i believe that is lowballing the percentage.

Most of our losses did come from defensive collapses. That's not being a Freepologist, that's being realistic about the situation.

Freeman deserves a lot of the blame for the Cowboys and Rams game, but other than that, he wasn't the main reason why we lost games this year. Tell me what other games he played so bad in where it was his fault and not the defense's.

It's a team game, and if you can't blame Freeman just as much as the defense for the Giants game (sustain a drive and Eli doesn't have the time to come back, that loss is on both O and D), and the Eagles game (Score 1 offensive pt in the first half, tell me how that game ends?) then you must be blind. I'm not saying Freeman is the only blame. I blast Freeman because he is a first round qb and plays like a 5th round qb. Enough with the excuses for this guy. He either needs to step up and be a 1st round qb, or he needs to become the next Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf and have a meltdown and get the hell out of the league.

For every missed interception by Gorrer to seal a win, there is a 15yard overthrow by Freeman that should have been a td to VJax or MWilliams
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« #40 : February 14, 2013, 02:25:59 PM »

At the begining of the season, he was still getting used to a new system, and he hit a great stride towards the middle of the year. Not everyone is going to be Rodgers, Brees or Brady, and I think people need to relize this. A big part of a QB developing at a normal rate, is a GOOD defense. Freeman has never had that. The closest thing he ever had to that was his second season. No that defense was not GREAT, but it made timely plays. This years defense was TERRIBLE, outside of our ability to stop the run, which did not matter because our corners and safeties were so bad. Flacco and Ryan have developed into great QBs because of defenses that were good to great at times. It takes a lot of pressure off of them. Freeman goes into everygame knowing he has to get into a shootout to win. I fully expect our offseason to shore up the secondary. If we get a GOOD CB (not great, not elite just GOOD) our overall defensive ranking goes up. I believe in Freeman. The kid works hard, and his guys all support him. Lets give him a defense that can stop Nick Foles and get some more sacks and see what he does. He throws a GREAT deep ball and has all the tools. He just needs to relax and play his game like he did his second year. If not, which ever QB we bring in next will be stepping into a pretty nice offense assuming we pay mike will haha.


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« #41 : February 14, 2013, 02:26:05 PM »

RogerGodellSucks / BucBalla - That is a very naive way to look at it.  We can't pick the season apart game by game and say "The defensive backs lost the Giants game. The Oline lost the Cowboys game.  Freeman lost the Rams game, etc., etc., etc."  Again, our corners and our pass rush were awful last year.  That's agreed upon by EVERYONE.  Now, how about our QBs play?  The coaches will not analyze Freeman's play with even one aspect of the defense in mind.  They will take Freeman for how HE played.  And if you are being objective about the last half of the season you cannot say he played well. 

I'm not debating that our defense gaveaway the Eagles game at the end... I'm saying Freeman played awful in the first half... AWFUL by any NFL coach's standards.    I'm not debating that Freeman brought us back in the final 5 minutes of the Carolina game and played brilliantly in that and the OT... I'm saying he was piss poor during the first 55 mins of the game and we shouldn't have been down at all in that game with how the rest of the team had played to that point.  I'm not debating that the defense got worn down by P. Manning and the flood gates opened up in the 2nd half... but I'm saying Freeman couldn't get us a first down for the middle 30 mins of that game and while the defense kept turning P. Manning away they kept having to go right back on the field after 3 and outs by our offense.  I'm not debating that Freeman sucked in both the 2nd New Orleans game and the St. Louis game... because he DID. 

Bottom line, no matter how mch we build up our team around our QB your NFL team is only going to go as far as your QB can take you... and his inconsistencies lend more to 7-9/8-8 seasons than multiple playoff seasons. 

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« #42 : February 14, 2013, 02:29:05 PM »

Haha... I love it.  Lets get off his jock (size and arm power) for a second and see how he played down the stretch in 2012.  Heading into our 10th game of the season we were in position for a playoff run.  Yes, our pass defense was really bad at times, but Freeman was awful the last 7 games of the season.  His QB rating was 68.3.  And that's with a probowl WR and a probowl RB to utilize.  And M. Williams is an excellent 2nd WR. 

This article is right on spot.  I've said this many times.  Once he goes into his mid game funks he demorilizes the team.  Against Atl he missed 2 wideopen WRs for TDs.  Against Denver our defense held P. Manning and the offense to 10 pts at halftime... Freeman vanished during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  He threw 2 TDs after the game was decided.  Against Phil he played one of the first halves of football by a QB last year.  Against NO and St. Louis he was horrible.  And he ended the season with a below average game. 

Yes, that's 68.3 over the last 7 games.  I don't care what he did before that, you can't play that bad for almost half the season and expect to carry your team anywhere.  IMO he'll do it again next year.

You can't say that, you can't bring facts into it. It's not a team game.
Freeman's problems are simply this: Bad defense, bad o-line, bad routes, bad coaches and bad fans. He is not accountable for any mistake, he's only 25. He's the Saviour.....

No one is saying this other than maybe 1 or 2 people.

Keep on overreacting though.

Not sure how that's overreacting. I admit I don't have any truthful stats to back it up, but i'll say 75% of the Freepologists claim that Freeman played well, our losses came from defensive collapses. And i believe that is lowballing the percentage.

Most of our losses did come from defensive collapses. That's not being a Freepologist, that's being realistic about the situation.

Freeman deserves a lot of the blame for the Cowboys and Rams game, but other than that, he wasn't the main reason why we lost games this year. Tell me what other games he played so bad in where it was his fault and not the defense's.

It's a team game, and if you can't blame Freeman just as much as the defense for the Giants game (sustain a drive and Eli doesn't have the time to come back, that loss is on both O and D), and the Eagles game (Score 1 offensive pt in the first half, tell me how that game ends?) then you must be blind. I'm not saying Freeman is the only blame. I blast Freeman because he is a first round qb and plays like a 5th round qb. Enough with the excuses for this guy. He either needs to step up and be a 1st round qb, or he needs to become the next Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf and have a meltdown and get the hell out of the league.

For every missed interception by Gorrer to seal a win, there is a 15yard overthrow by Freeman that should have been a td to VJax or MWilliams

You just blamed the Giants game on Freeman because he scored too quickly at the end? LOL. That pretty much tells the whole story right there about how bad our defense is. And even after the defense blew it again, Freeman almost led us down the field to score to tie it up again. He made a PERFECT throw to Mike Williams in a very tight window, but unfortunately, Mike couldn't mantain control and was bobbled it as he was coming down. You blaming Freeman for losing a game where we scored 34 points and our defense gave up 25 points in 1 **CENSORED**ing quarter is hilarious.

The Eagles game Freeman definitely deserves some of the blame. He played like dog**CENSORED** in the 1st half but came back strong in the 2nd half and gave us the chance to win. But it's not his fault the defense let Nick Foles have a career day and score 2 TD's in the final 5 minutes. Schiano's conservative playcalling on our last possession on offense also didn't help. In the end though, all we needed was to stop a 4th round rookie QB for one drive, but our garbage secondary couldn't do it. The defense blew it once again.


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« #43 : February 14, 2013, 02:35:07 PM »

RogerGodellSucks / BucBalla - That is a very naive way to look at it.  We can't pick the season apart game by game and say "The defensive backs lost the Giants game. The Oline lost the Cowboys game.  Freeman lost the Rams game, etc., etc., etc."  Again, our corners and our pass rush were awful last year.  That's agreed upon by EVERYONE.  Now, how about our QBs play?  The coaches will not analyze Freeman's play with even one aspect of the defense in mind.  They will take Freeman for how HE played.  And if you are being objective about the last half of the season you cannot say he played well. 

I'm not debating that our defense gaveaway the Eagles game at the end... I'm saying Freeman played awful in the first half... AWFUL by any NFL coach's standards.    I'm not debating that Freeman brought us back in the final 5 minutes of the Carolina game and played brilliantly in that and the OT... I'm saying he was piss poor during the first 55 mins of the game and we shouldn't have been down at all in that game with how the rest of the team had played to that point.  I'm not debating that the defense got worn down by P. Manning and the flood gates opened up in the 2nd half... but I'm saying Freeman couldn't get us a first down for the middle 30 mins of that game and while the defense kept turning P. Manning away they kept having to go right back on the field after 3 and outs by our offense.  I'm not debating that Freeman sucked in both the 2nd New Orleans game and the St. Louis game... because he DID. 

Bottom line, no matter how mch we build up our team around our QB your NFL team is only going to go as far as your QB can take you... and his inconsistencies lend more to 7-9/8-8 seasons than multiple playoff seasons.

Well said.


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« #44 : February 14, 2013, 02:56:24 PM »

and the crusade continues

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