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#15 : March 21, 2013, 05:49:21 PM

I just don't get the excitement over this guy.  He'd be a strongside LB in a 4-3 defense.  There's a reason that we can get away with playing (insert undrafted/special teams player here) for so many years.  It just isn't a valued position.  He was a great sack guy in college, but unless we play him at DE, he isn't going to be in a position to generate a pass rush since he won't even be on the field on 3rd down.
There's this guy in Denver who plays SAM and is a pretty good pass rusher, too.  I'm not saying that Jones has the athleticism of Von Miller (clearly he doesn't), but the guy was the best defensive player in the country playing in the toughest conference in the country.  That has to count for something.

The difference is that the guy in Denver plays in a 3-4, where the pass rush is supposed to come from the OLBs.  I can't think of a single LB in a 4-3 that has made a difference as a pass rusher over the course of a full season.

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#16 : March 21, 2013, 05:53:05 PM

I just don't get the excitement over this guy.  He'd be a strongside LB in a 4-3 defense.  There's a reason that we can get away with playing (insert undrafted/special teams player here) for so many years.  It just isn't a valued position.  He was a great sack guy in college, but unless we play him at DE, he isn't going to be in a position to generate a pass rush since he won't even be on the field on 3rd down.
There's this guy in Denver who plays SAM and is a pretty good pass rusher, too.  I'm not saying that Jones has the athleticism of Von Miller (clearly he doesn't), but the guy was the best defensive player in the country playing in the toughest conference in the country.  That has to count for something.

The difference is that the guy in Denver plays in a 3-4, where the pass rush is supposed to come from the OLBs.  I can't think of a single LB in a 4-3 that has made a difference as a pass rusher over the course of a full season.
Denver played a 4-3 this year.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_21672566/broncos-defense-features-classic-4-3-scheme-pass

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#17 : March 21, 2013, 05:55:40 PM

S likes to blitz from all angles. A guy like Jones makes sense for the sack starved defense.

Beefs up the linebackers, which are paper thin, and at a cost effective rate.



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#18 : March 21, 2013, 06:04:20 PM

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#19 : March 21, 2013, 06:11:00 PM

S likes to blitz from all angles. A guy like Jones makes sense for the sack starved defense.

Beefs up the linebackers, which are paper thin, and at a cost effective rate.

^^^Basically this.

I posted something on the insider the other jay about us maybe targeting him.  Letting Bennett walk and gambling on Bowers is a big, big gamble for such a horrific pass-rushing team.  There needs to be a plan B (and a plan A).  Jones could be both.  Extra pressure behind Bowers if Bowers does well, and they may think that if Bowers fails or jails then DTN +Jones  > Bennett + Watson.  That's one way I can see letting Bennett go making some kind of sense.

And PewterGator, you need to get your head out of the SAMd -- stop fixating on the position title, it's not a straightjacket.  Just like the Mike doesn't always get the green dot, SAM isn't always just the run stuffer coming off on passing downs.


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#20 : March 21, 2013, 06:18:50 PM

I would not mind drafting him. But looking at the big board
 I would say there is a 90 percent chance we will draft a DE in the 1st round.

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#21 : March 21, 2013, 06:26:02 PM

S likes to blitz from all angles. A guy like Jones makes sense for the sack starved defense.

Beefs up the linebackers, which are paper thin, and at a cost effective rate.

^^^Basically this.

I posted something on the insider the other jay about us maybe targeting him.  Letting Bennett walk and gambling on Bowers is a big, big gamble for such a horrific pass-rushing team.  There needs to be a plan B (and a plan A).  Jones could be both.  Extra pressure behind Bowers if Bowers does well, and they may think that if Bowers fails or jails then DTN +Jones  > Bennett + Watson.  That's one way I can see letting Bennett go making some kind of sense.

And PewterGator, you need to get your head out of the SAMd -- stop fixating on the position title, it's not a straightjacket.  Just like the Mike doesn't always get the green dot, SAM isn't always just the run stuffer coming off on passing downs.

Hey, I'm totally open to it working out.  Just saying that I haven't seen it work.  If Denver actually ran a 4-3 last year then they figured out how to make it happen.  I'm not sure that this is the right guy for us though.  Bucs have been burned more than once with guys and back problems.

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#22 : March 21, 2013, 06:42:14 PM

4.9? 

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#23 : March 21, 2013, 06:44:54 PM

There is no "if"....Denver runs a 4-3. Not a 3-4.

Jarvis would play SLB in early downs and would rush the passer on passing downs.

Bowers, Bennett, McCoy, Clayborn all coming at the QB.



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#24 : March 21, 2013, 06:57:00 PM

I just don't get the excitement over this guy.  He'd be a strongside LB in a 4-3 defense.  There's a reason that we can get away with playing (insert undrafted/special teams player here) for so many years.  It just isn't a valued position.  He was a great sack guy in college, but unless we play him at DE, he isn't going to be in a position to generate a pass rush since he won't even be on the field on 3rd down.
There's this guy in Denver who plays SAM and is a pretty good pass rusher, too.  I'm not saying that Jones has the athleticism of Von Miller (clearly he doesn't), but the guy was the best defensive player in the country playing in the toughest conference in the country. That has to count for something.

Da fuq?!

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#25 : March 21, 2013, 07:21:55 PM

I don't care about the slow 40 ....I care about the degenerative back.

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#26 : March 21, 2013, 07:22:44 PM

I just don't get the excitement over this guy.  He'd be a strongside LB in a 4-3 defense.  There's a reason that we can get away with playing (insert undrafted/special teams player here) for so many years.  It just isn't a valued position.  He was a great sack guy in college, but unless we play him at DE, he isn't going to be in a position to generate a pass rush since he won't even be on the field on 3rd down.
There's this guy in Denver who plays SAM and is a pretty good pass rusher, too.  I'm not saying that Jones has the athleticism of Von Miller (clearly he doesn't), but the guy was the best defensive player in the country playing in the toughest conference in the country. That has to count for something.

Da fuq?!

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Jadevon Clowney
Good point. The best draft eligible defensive player in the country then.

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#27 : March 21, 2013, 07:24:45 PM

Were there any LB's up for the Heisman this year?


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#28 : March 21, 2013, 07:41:31 PM

If we still have a pick, I can see us taking a dlineman.  Anyone that has some kind of physical ailment is a contender.

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#29 : March 21, 2013, 09:28:33 PM

I don't care about the slow 40 ....I care about the degenerative back.
Then this should put your mind at ease.  This is an actual doctor, who is specialized in spinal cord injuries, giving him an all clear.

"leading orthopedist Craig Brigham said Jarvis Jones never had a significant spinal cord contusion. Brigham believes that Jones had a very mild incident of a contusion or even a stinger."
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