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: March 24, 2013, 12:03:43 AM



Bucs' defensive failures personal for Schiano

Rick Stroud, Times Staff Writer
 

Saturday, March 23, 2013
 





Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano answers a question during a news conference at the NFL football scouting combine in Indianapolis, Thursday, Feb. 21, 2013.
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Greg Schiano entered the NFL as a defensive backs coach with the Bears, so when his team came within a few yards of setting the league record for the most passing yards allowed last season, it was personal.
 
That's why he told defensive backs coach Ron Cooper to look for a new job. It's why 49ers All-Pro S Deshon Goldson was a must-sign at the start of free agency. It's also why the Bucs are willing to mortgage a good bit of their future to trade for Jets CB Darrelle Revis.
 

Tampa Bay allowed a staggering 11 completions of more than 40 yards and 69 of at least 20 yards last season.
 
"The big pass plays, those are killers," Schiano said. "They not only affect the game, but they affect the momentum of the game. When you're at home, it sucks the life out of your crowd, and when you're on the road, it ignites the crowd.
 
"Some of the changes we made are the result of people not doing things exactly how we wanted them done. We did make a staff change. I'm not going to duck that. It's even more frustrating for me because that's supposed to be your area of expertise."
 
Fixing the problem began by replacing Cooper (who took a similar job at USF) with Jaguars defensive backs coach Tony Oden. Then the Bucs had to wrestle Goldson away from the Patriots, who also were major suitors, with a five-year, $41.25 million contract.
 
"(Goldson) represents who we are," Schiano said. "He's smart, he's tough, he's an intimidating player, in my opinion. That's kind of the way we want to play. He runs to the football relentlessly, and we want to build our defense around guys who play that way."
 
Schiano acknowledges Goldson and S Mark Barron share similar traits. Both are big hitters who thrive against the run but are adequate in coverage. "It doesn't matter to me," Schiano said. "We're actually an interchangeable safety defense. So there's not really a cover guy and a box guy."
 
The Bucs view Revis as a game-changing player worth paying twice for. They're willing to consider sending their first-round draft pick (preferably in 2014) and perhaps another high draft choice to the Jets, and they'd have to pay Revis about $15 million per year.
 
It's a chips-in-the-middle-of-the-table play by general manager Mark Dominik and Schiano. But in order for the Bucs to win Super Bowl XXXVII, they gave up a king's ransom for WR Keyshawn Johnson (a pair of first-round picks to the Jets) and four high draft picks to acquire coach Jon Gruden from the Raiders.
 
Those deals came back to hurt the Bucs in later years, but they'd do such a move again if it meant finding room for a second Lombardi Trophy. But the Bucs lose interest in Revis each day the Jets drag their heels.
 
BULLY ON BOWERS-CLAYBORN: Better coverage on the back end will help the Bucs' pass rush, which has been stuck in the mid 20s in sacks and near the bottom of the league for the past three seasons. Tampa Bay still would like to add another pass rusher and needs a defensive tackle to replace Michael Bennett and Roy Miller. But what they are banking on is a big year from DEs Adrian Clayborn and Da'Quan Bowers.
 
Clayborn showed speed and a lot of promise before his knee injury last season. Bowers missed the first half of the year recovering from an Achilles tear but used the time off in the weight room to get stronger.
 
"He's a tremendous athlete for a man his size," Schiano said. "He's explosive, and he's done it. If I'd never saw him do it, I would be concerned. It's our job to make him do it consistently. When you look at Da'Quan and say he hasn't been able to do it for a 16-game season, neither had Gerald (McCoy) until (last) year."
 
Is Bowers good enough to finish 2013 with double-digit sacks? "He needs to be. He should be," Schiano said. "That's why we drafted him."

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#1 : March 24, 2013, 12:13:16 AM

Wow it really sounds like cooper was a horrible coach. I mean he said some results were people not doing things the way we wanted them done and his next words are we made a staff change. Looks like that was his worse decision so far the hiring of Cooper he should have left him at LSU.

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#2 : March 24, 2013, 05:27:03 AM

Sounds about right.  Schiano throwing his former db coach under the bus.

I would not expect anything less from a man of his character.

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#3 : March 24, 2013, 07:12:27 AM

I wonder what Coop would say I about coach Schiano's scheme if he was asked.

Nevermind. Coop is a respectable man. No way he would throw Schiano under the bus. He is has too much class to get into a mud slinging match with this buffoon.

Honestly, if he was asked he would probably say that nobody really understood how the scheme is supposed to work except Schiano. It's a big mystery how the scheme is supposed to work. They went all year trying to figure it out and at the end of the day not a single player or coach except Schiano seemed to know how it works.

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#4 : March 24, 2013, 08:40:14 AM

Sounds about right.  Schiano throwing his former db coach under the bus.

I would not expect anything less from a man of his character.

 Why am I not surprised that truthfulness holds no value for you? Ronde Barber had to step in as the DB coach when Cooper stood silent during the games. Schiano finally took over himself in the last game of the season. The DBs played a respectable game and we beat the team with the best record in the NFC IN THEIR OWN HOUSE. Still, Schiano made no direct reference to Cooper being totally at fault, and obviously there will also be roster changes made to correct the situation. The Bucs went from worst to first in run defense in Schiano's first year. I'm sure that's something you hate to acknowledge, but it's true. I'm sure this year will focus much more on pass defense, though I don't expect we will rank first at the end of the season. I do expect we will be in the top half and a playoff team. Schiano spent last year learning what he had. Now he knows. Now it's about balance and consistency. If we don't blow too much on Revis, we;ll get there sooner. We'll get there (SB) sooner or later anyway. You'll have to find something else to whine about.

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#5 : March 24, 2013, 09:18:10 AM

It has been such a centerpiece of his discontent, this so called "defense". So much so that he has let a few of them leave, and has done nothing to make it better. Adding Dashon is nice. But we have one great piece in the entirety of the secondary. And have gotten thinner, and with no solution presented, he must be in such a state of depression that he has been malaise to rectify it.


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#6 : March 24, 2013, 09:24:39 AM

So the Barron and Goldson additions were prompted by Schiano?  Those were special order?

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#7 : March 24, 2013, 10:12:19 AM

So the Barron and Goldson additions were prompted by Schiano?  Those were special order?

When you spend a first round pick on a safety and then follow it up by havng your biggest free agent signing be another safety...yeah it is safe to assume that this is what Coach Schiano wants. 

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#8 : March 24, 2013, 10:35:29 AM

Sounds about right.  Schiano throwing his former db coach under the bus.

I would not expect anything less from a man of his character.

Yep, any time you fire someone, you're throwing them under the bus. Quite an astute observation, Grimm.

I think what you are trying to say is that you would not expect anything MORE from a man of his character. Otherwise, it sounds like you are a fan of his.

You're welcome.

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#9 : March 24, 2013, 10:49:43 AM

Coop didn't get fired though.


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#10 : March 24, 2013, 11:18:01 AM

Coop didn't get fired though.

Don't be naive.

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#11 : March 24, 2013, 11:18:58 AM

I wonder what Coop would say I about coach Schiano's scheme if he was asked.

Nevermind. Coop is a respectable man. No way he would throw Schiano under the bus. He is has too much class to get into a mud slinging match with this buffoon.

Honestly, if he was asked he would probably say that nobody really understood how the scheme is supposed to work except Schiano. It's a big mystery how the scheme is supposed to work. They went all year trying to figure it out and at the end of the day not a single player or coach except Schiano seemed to know how it works.

Several assertions, zero facts.

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#12 : March 24, 2013, 11:28:18 AM

Coop didn't get fired though.

Don't be naive.
Dont be lying. Coop was not fired. He was offered a chance to resign and be did. Pretty cool of S to let him walk before getting fired.

So while it led to the same result, he was spared of termination.


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#13 : March 24, 2013, 11:29:00 AM

General observation - it blows me away given how atrocious last year's pass D was that there is a single defender of Ron Cooper.

I get that people want to blame the players and Schiano, and that's appropriate, but how that translates into a defense of Cooper, I don't know.

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#14 : March 24, 2013, 01:13:49 PM

Who is defending Coop?

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