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: March 26, 2013, 10:12:37 PM

    IMO, one guy who deserves to be talked about a bit and hasn't been much is our own Ahmad Black.
   
    JMO, but I think we will see a lot more 3-safety/2 LB formations this year from the Bucs. Black is a solid S, and is only gonna get better with more playing time. The trio of Goldson, Barron, and Black should make us that much tougher to go deep on.

    The acquisition of Goldson likely will move Ronde to a regular role as a 3rd down slot defender, as we don't really seem to need him at S this season. We still got a young developing Keith Tandy and hopefully a healthy vet in Cody Grimm at S too...

    Also at CB, Anthony Gaitor played well once healthy later in the season, and should continue to grow. I saw Leonard Johnson improve by leaps and bounds as a rookie last season, and have no doubt he'll get even better. Wright is still a fairly solid if not dominating 2nd CB, despite all the hurrah of last season. I see both Gorrer and Lewis as longshots.

    Daniel Te'o-Nesheim improved greatly at DE as the season unfolded. Excellent quickness. And before he got hurt Aaron Morgan showed some real flashes as a pass-rush specialist.

    I just look at all the big $$$ contracts thrown at FA CBs the last few years and how it totally skewed their teams' ability to maneuver under the cap later. A team may not make a splash on the ESPN front page, but slow and steady growth works better in the long haul...


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#1 : March 26, 2013, 10:19:18 PM

And these great players came up 37 yards short of setting a NFL record for the worst Pass Defense in the history of the league.

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#2 : March 26, 2013, 10:25:56 PM

If we do end up getting Revis, I would love seeing Revis on an island, Black and the #2 CB covering the other receiver, and Barron and Goldson playing close to the line. They would blow up the short passing game and run game.

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#3 : March 26, 2013, 10:25:57 PM

These guys are solid role players, but if the Bucs continue to hope role players can succeed as starters then there is nothing more to be said.

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#4 : March 26, 2013, 11:57:13 PM

    IMO, one guy who deserves to be talked about a bit and hasn't been much is our own Ahmad Black.
   
    JMO, but I think we will see a lot more 3-safety/2 LB formations this year from the Bucs. Black is a solid S, and is only gonna get better with more playing time. The trio of Goldson, Barron, and Black should make us that much tougher to go deep on.

    The acquisition of Goldson likely will move Ronde to a regular role as a 3rd down slot defender, as we don't really seem to need him at S this season. We still got a young developing Keith Tandy and hopefully a healthy vet in Cody Grimm at S too...

    Also at CB, Anthony Gaitor played well once healthy later in the season, and should continue to grow. I saw Leonard Johnson improve by leaps and bounds as a rookie last season, and have no doubt he'll get even better. Wright is still a fairly solid if not dominating 2nd CB, despite all the hurrah of last season. I see both Gorrer and Lewis as longshots.

    Daniel Te'o-Nesheim improved greatly at DE as the season unfolded. Excellent quickness. And before he got hurt Aaron Morgan showed some real flashes as a pass-rush specialist.

    I just look at all the big $$$ contracts thrown at FA CBs the last few years and how it totally skewed their teams' ability to maneuver under the cap later. A team may not make a splash on the ESPN front page, but slow and steady growth works better in the long haul...

1- completely dependent on play calling and the CBs ability to maintain coverage or redirect WRs. Black is slow and not going to defend the deep ball without a big cushion. Hes a good tackler and a ball hawk, but not what I would call a deep defender. Goldson can play the deep ball and Barron has done well at times and bad at others. Hopefully Barron continues to improve and they get some help at CB to not put all the pressure on the Ss.

2- made me literally lol. Wright is at best a nickel. hes proven this his entire career. Hes a decent emergency #2 at best. Add in the Bucs are trying to shop him and the adderall thing, I don't think hell even be on the roster.

Gaitor is still unknown. Johnson has the best chance of contributing in a small role and Gorrer and both of the Lewis CBs are on the roster bubble. Most of those guys are the reason the Bucs were dead last against the pass. Expecting better results is silly. What can they do? Improve the Bucs to the 29th pass D?

Teo and Morgan are depth guys at best



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#5 : March 27, 2013, 11:01:39 AM

I just hope Cody Grimm makes the team this year.  Will have to be a solid STer for that to happen. 

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#6 : March 27, 2013, 11:03:03 AM

Luke Stocker really needs to step it up this year....maybe after a year under Dallas Clark itll help him some...


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#7 : March 27, 2013, 11:24:17 AM

    IMO, one guy who deserves to be talked about a bit and hasn't been much is our own Ahmad Black.
   
    JMO, but I think we will see a lot more 3-safety/2 LB formations this year from the Bucs. Black is a solid S, and is only gonna get better with more playing time. The trio of Goldson, Barron, and Black should make us that much tougher to go deep on.

    The acquisition of Goldson likely will move Ronde to a regular role as a 3rd down slot defender, as we don't really seem to need him at S this season. We still got a young developing Keith Tandy and hopefully a healthy vet in Cody Grimm at S too...

    Also at CB, Anthony Gaitor played well once healthy later in the season, and should continue to grow. I saw Leonard Johnson improve by leaps and bounds as a rookie last season, and have no doubt he'll get even better. Wright is still a fairly solid if not dominating 2nd CB, despite all the hurrah of last season. I see both Gorrer and Lewis as longshots.

    Daniel Te'o-Nesheim improved greatly at DE as the season unfolded. Excellent quickness. And before he got hurt Aaron Morgan showed some real flashes as a pass-rush specialist.

    I just look at all the big $$$ contracts thrown at FA CBs the last few years and how it totally skewed their teams' ability to maneuver under the cap later. A team may not make a splash on the ESPN front page, but slow and steady growth works better in the long haul...

1- completely dependent on play calling and the CBs ability to maintain coverage or redirect WRs. Black is slow and not going to defend the deep ball without a big cushion. Hes a good tackler and a ball hawk, but not what I would call a deep defender. Goldson can play the deep ball and Barron has done well at times and bad at others. Hopefully Barron continues to improve and they get some help at CB to not put all the pressure on the Ss.

2- made me literally lol. Wright is at best a nickel. hes proven this his entire career. Hes a decent emergency #2 at best. Add in the Bucs are trying to shop him and the adderall thing, I don't think hell even be on the roster.

Gaitor is still unknown. Johnson has the best chance of contributing in a small role and Gorrer and both of the Lewis CBs are on the roster bubble. Most of those guys are the reason the Bucs were dead last against the pass. Expecting better results is silly. What can they do? Improve the Bucs to the 29th pass D?

Teo and Morgan are depth guys at best

+1  on it all.


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#8 : March 27, 2013, 12:31:16 PM

Barron looked like a good defender of the deep ball in the early weeks of the season then slowly became a ghost. Goldson should bring little bit of a swagger to the secondary but correct me if im wrong but isnt he more of a run stopping safety/hard hitter sorta like what Barron is projected to be? I dont see us getting that much better defending the big play(unless we get Revis and he litteraly makes everyone that much better) with these two but I do expect a lot "jacked up" hits this year and hopefully that scares opposing recievers into hearing "footsteps"

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#9 : March 27, 2013, 12:38:54 PM

Aaron Morgan looked pretty good as a pass rusher before he got hurt. He would be a nice rotational guy.

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#10 : March 27, 2013, 12:41:51 PM

are we resigning roscoe parrish?


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#11 : March 27, 2013, 12:47:11 PM

And these great players came up 37 yards short of setting a NFL record for the worst Pass Defense in the history of the league.
That fact sounds bad but means nothing.
The team that did set the record had a backfield with Pro Bowler Charles Woodson, a guy that went to the Pro Bowl in the previous 3 seasons in Nick Collins & a young Sam Shields, who many here want to give up a 2nd rounder for, plus Clay Matthews at LBers, no talent there.
That litttle record is so meaningless, schemes are now dictating that yards are getting gained at a higher rate than any other point in league history, it's about stopping the other team when it matters and getting turnovers.
Don't you find it odd that going into the 2011 season only one team in history had allowed more than 4500 yards, that being the 1995 Falcons, now suddenly 5 teams in the past 2 seasons have done it?
Don't you find it odd that  going into the 2008 season only 1 man had ever passed for 5000 yards, suddenly 4 do it within the past 2 seasons?
How about how no wideout in history had more than 1848 yards yet Megatron managed to break that record with a game to spare this past season?
Yardage records are a joke, they are now a result of the new rules and schemes to best fit those rules you.

You just can't judge a players talent based on yardage alone, you only have to look at last year Bucs, we averaged allowing 84 yards less a game over the final 4 games (261 yards) than we did the first 4 of the season (345 yards) yet we were playing "scrubs" at the end compared to "name talent" like Wright & Talib at the start.
: March 27, 2013, 01:25:31 PM TBTrojan

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#12 : March 27, 2013, 12:57:39 PM

correct me if im wrong but isnt he more of a run stopping safety/hard hitter sorta like what Barron is projected to be?

In 2012 Goldson had 3 ints and 11 PDs. That is better coverage than any of our CBs let alone safeties


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#13 : March 27, 2013, 01:02:41 PM

Thanks for clearing that up.

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#14 : March 27, 2013, 01:08:59 PM

TB Trojan:  Very good points.
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