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#195 : April 22, 2013, 10:01:35 PM

How is he being charged with using a WMD? Conventional explosives aren't WMD's unless the legal definition of these thing is really, really broad and not inline with the definition of militaries and international law..

the phrase is defined in the federal statute and it is very broad, including things like grenades I believe

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#196 : April 22, 2013, 10:02:56 PM

How is he being charged with using a WMD? Conventional explosives aren't WMD's unless the legal definition of these thing is really, really broad and not inline with the definition of militaries and international law..

Makes no sense as far as I can tell he isn't charged as an enemy combatant but has been denied Miranda.

he was Mirandized

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#197 : April 22, 2013, 10:04:49 PM

How is he being charged with using a WMD? Conventional explosives aren't WMD's unless the legal definition of these thing is really, really broad and not inline with the definition of militaries and international law..

Makes no sense as far as I can tell he isn't charged as an enemy combatant but has been denied Miranda.

he was Mirandized

I've looked but haven't found it do you have a link?

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#198 : April 22, 2013, 10:07:06 PM

If anyone is interested, here is the hearing before the federal Magistrate with the defendant represented by a federal public defender

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/04/us/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-hearing-transcript/index.html

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#199 : April 22, 2013, 10:09:16 PM

Posted 4 hours ago.

Fox News can confirm that the Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was read his Miranda rights today in his hospital room at Beth Israel.

The defendant reportedly declined to answer questions about bail. The judge was "satisfied that the defendant is alert and able to respond to the charges," according to the court documents. A hearing is set for May 30th at 10 a.m.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2013/04/22/boston-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-read-his-miranda-rights

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#200 : April 22, 2013, 10:36:26 PM

and the criminal complaint

http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2013/PDFs/BostonCriminalComplaint.pdf

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#201 : April 23, 2013, 05:22:40 AM

I found it was strange about the WMD too. No way is what they made even close to that. Government is up to something here.


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#202 : April 23, 2013, 09:42:01 AM

Why hasn't anyone associated with the 9/11 attacks had a court appearance? 


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#203 : April 23, 2013, 12:04:43 PM

I found it was strange about the WMD too. No way is what they made even close to that. Government is up to something here.

The Government is not "up to something" its just that lay people think of WMDs as things like chemical weapons, but that is not the defintiion in the statute.  The definition in the statute seems to encompass IEDs, whether that IED is used to blow up a few people or a building.

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#204 : April 23, 2013, 12:05:04 PM

Why hasn't anyone associated with the 9/11 attacks had a court appearance?

huh?

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#205 : April 23, 2013, 12:28:12 PM

Why hasn't anyone associated with the 9/11 attacks had a court appearance? 

Because just like with Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon, Aurora shooting, TWA Flight 800 being shot down, OKC Bombing, Columbine, the use of HAARP to create "natural disasters", the creation of the AIDS Virus, JFK Assassination, Pearl Harbor...etc, all were operations carried out by the US Government....

=no court appearances...


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#206 : April 23, 2013, 02:17:49 PM

When someone commits terrorist act - what is the line where it is a crime vs an act of war?

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#207 : April 23, 2013, 02:29:26 PM

When someone commits terrorist act - what is the line where it is a crime vs an act of war?

I think the line ought to be the fact that you go to war against a country, not an idea. But that's just me.


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#208 : April 23, 2013, 02:41:48 PM

When someone commits terrorist act - what is the line where it is a crime vs an act of war?

that is a great question and the one that government has been struggling with for years, but in this instance it is not just a "someone" it is an American citizen and, even though it is hard to accept this . .  AT THIS POINT . .  that someone has only been ACCUSED of commiting a terrorist act.  He is 100% inncocent under the law, for now.

Now, do I think he did it and does everyone think that?  Sure, but the actions taken in this action are not about this "someone" as much as it is about us (i.e. American citizens).  That is the tough part in your question.  The criminal laws in this country do not exist to incarcerate the guilty as much as they exist to protect the innocent and every citizen is innocent until proven guilty.

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#209 : April 23, 2013, 02:42:15 PM

When someone commits terrorist act - what is the line where it is a crime vs an act of war?

I think the line ought to be the fact that you go to war against a country, not an idea. But that's just me.
I don't know what the legal or statutory difference is current - do you?  I am not looking to start a debate over what it should be - just wondering what it is, and then wondering how being a citizen rolls into the matter. 

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