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#15 : April 28, 2013, 01:00:28 PM

Joseph isn't a good player and every statistic ever backs that up. Every time we have a successful running game it comes with Davin out.

We upgraded at backup QB, downgraded heavily at RB, upgraded at slot WR, downgraded heavily at TE. Our line is no different except Davin is back which really means nothing. Defensive line got worse losing Miller and Bennett, linebackers are worse than they started last year (hopefully negated by improvements from the young kids). The secondary is revamped.

So we all agree the secondary will be much better. Across the board though (not taking secondary into consideration), we had a pretty weak off-season and other than the secondary, I think we got worse.

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#16 : April 28, 2013, 01:07:06 PM

Lol. How did we 'downgrade heavily' @ RB by trading away a player we never used? 

And how does not resigning a very modest Dallas Clark mean we 'downgraded heavily' @ TE. Bah!

....and its funny you never mention Carl Nicks, being a pessimist does not suit you very well.
: April 28, 2013, 01:10:57 PM TampaBucks05


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#17 : April 28, 2013, 01:09:20 PM

I know you all may not  know much about this steve means guy he is small school he may have even been a reach and we could have got him as a UDFA but, I been watchin youtube tape and other media tape on this guy and he looks like a  real deal pass rusing DE he is a  freak I see comparisons to a young javon kearse could be our surprise pick of the draft

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#18 : April 28, 2013, 01:09:56 PM

Don't know how you can say spence is better.  We don't even know if he can play at this level and being he left school early he will probably need some time to develop.  And is his upside really significantly better than Miller's?  All I know is Miller had the better college career and was more polished and they have similar builds, strength and athleticism.  And before you tell me how strong Spence is.  Why dont you see how strong Miller is.  Pretty comparable. 
: April 28, 2013, 01:16:29 PM Skull and Bones


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#19 : April 28, 2013, 01:11:25 PM

People really think Davin Joseph isn't good ?, wtf are you guys watching and if ur basing that he sucks on last year that is irrelevant cuz you can say the same about nicks with that logic, linebackers got better no doubt about it foster has been improving each year, David is already a star, and Casillas provides us with a cover lb, dt got better spence and landri can stop the run and pass rush, spence is more built for nose and landri for 3 tech, landri will surprise alot of you this year, tight end really didn't need to be upgrade in the fact that we rarely use them and stocker and Crabtree can be average pass catchers, only position we didn't directly improve was dend but we never know how bowers is gonna do, clayborn will have a breakout year this year

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#20 : April 28, 2013, 01:12:18 PM

Yes we did, and to say otherwise is **CENSORED**ing idiotic.

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#21 : April 28, 2013, 01:16:53 PM

Spence is what he is, an early 4th round draft pick.
Miller is what he is, a mid 3rd round draft pick.

Both players are big and strong, but neither has much talent. Thats exactly the kind of player Schiano needs at NT.


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#22 : April 28, 2013, 01:19:41 PM

Lol. How did we 'downgrade heavily' @ RB by trading away a player we never used? 

And how does not resigning a very modest Dallas Clark mean we 'downgraded heavily' @ TE. Bah!

....and its funny you never mention Carl Nicks, being a pessimist does not suit you very well.
Trading a talent we didn't use for a no-talent that we'll use isn't an upgrade. Talent is talent. If Martin goes down, and it seems like we're pretty set on running him into the ground, we will have zero quality running backs that can carry the load. Unless Demps comes in and returns kicks, that trade was awful. It's amazing how Dominik drafts players and people fall in love with them. News flash, Spence had 1 sack last year and James has as many career 100-yard games as I do (that's ZERO). And Dallas Clark doesn't set the world on fire but he's a good option. Luke Stocker on the other hand has proven to be nothing short of incapable of being anything resembling a productive player. So yes, that's a dowgrade.

Take the Red goggles off. Our secondary might've gone from worst to first (I actually believe talent-wise, ours is as good as it gets) but the rest of the roster got worse.

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#23 : April 28, 2013, 01:20:18 PM

Yes we did, and to say otherwise is **CENSORED**ing idiotic.
then back up your statement.  How so? Outside of the secondary has Dom improved the talent level of this team in any significant way to make us a contender in 2013? 


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#24 : April 28, 2013, 01:26:53 PM

Lol. How did we 'downgrade heavily' @ RB by trading away a player we never used? 

And how does not resigning a very modest Dallas Clark mean we 'downgraded heavily' @ TE. Bah!

....and its funny you never mention Carl Nicks, being a pessimist does not suit you very well.
Trading a talent we didn't use for a no-talent that we'll use isn't an upgrade. Talent is talent. If Martin goes down, and it seems like we're pretty set on running him into the ground, we will have zero quality running backs that can carry the load.

Absolutely. Except that Demps might come back to football and James will actually get carries. Your nieve not to think a good RB can be found in the 6th round.


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#25 : April 28, 2013, 01:30:09 PM

Lol. How did we 'downgrade heavily' @ RB by trading away a player we never used? 

And how does not resigning a very modest Dallas Clark mean we 'downgraded heavily' @ TE. Bah!

....and its funny you never mention Carl Nicks, being a pessimist does not suit you very well.
And Dallas Clark doesn't set the world on fire but he's a good option. Luke Stocker on the other hand has proven to be nothing short of incapable of being anything resembling a productive player. So yes, that's a dowgrade.

Crabtree > Clark


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#26 : April 28, 2013, 01:32:14 PM

We got a strong NT that can take the double teams on 1st and 2nd down - upgraded

Is this a reference to Spence of whom a criticism in college was that he struggled with the double team?

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We weren't going to replace Clayborn or Bowers, so we got DE we can rotate in and situation pass rushers to keep Clayborn & Bowers fresher - upgraded

If this is a reference to Gholston, I have to disagree unless you feel any body who is lined up is an upgrade.

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We traded away a player we didn't use, gained a KR/PR in Demps, and finished the draft with a bigger back that can do everything well for depth at RB to go with Leonard - upgraded

Demps may not even play football and the biggest thing about the trade was it got Blount off the roster because the staff wasn't going to use him which probably would have only added to the overuse of Martin.
 
: April 28, 2013, 01:38:24 PM ryan24

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#27 : April 28, 2013, 01:33:56 PM

We upgraded our secondary which actually makes out dline better because now we can get coverage sacks we couldn't get last year

This is assuming the scheme changes enough to allow the DL to move forward rather than running stunts and having the back 7 rush the passer.

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#28 : April 28, 2013, 01:34:45 PM

Lol. How did we 'downgrade heavily' @ RB by trading away a player we never used? 

And how does not resigning a very modest Dallas Clark mean we 'downgraded heavily' @ TE. Bah!

....and its funny you never mention Carl Nicks, being a pessimist does not suit you very well.

Take the Red goggles off. Our secondary might've gone from worst to first (I actually believe talent-wise, ours is as good as it gets) but the rest of the roster got worse.

Yes, another humorous statement. You try to justify your statement that our 2013 roster got worse than last year based on the fact that we traded a RB who rode the bench all year and failed to re-sign a TE that amassed a whopping 4 TDs (and can't block).
: April 28, 2013, 01:37:07 PM TampaBucks05


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#29 : April 28, 2013, 01:38:46 PM

Yes we did, and to say otherwise is **CENSORED**ing idiotic.
then back up your statement.  How so? Outside of the secondary has Dom improved the talent level of this team in any significant way to make us a contender in 2013?

c'mon.  there's no changing peoples minds here.  you either want to see it as half full or half empty.  fans dismiss the fact that we were in the wildcard hunt as late as wk 14.  bennett was the only significant loss and should be offset by the return of clayborn.

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