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#90 : May 06, 2013, 04:00:24 PM

The question is why do such personal issues need to be brought to the media?

Why not? We are talking about the first active athlete of a major pro sport coming out of the closet. That's news. It isn't as important as what's going on in Syria, just like Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier wasn't as important as the Chinese Civil War was in 1947, but it was news just the same.


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#91 : May 06, 2013, 04:06:37 PM


Being a homosexual means having less rights than most,

What right does a straight man has that a homosexual does not?

The right to marry someone he is actually in love with comes to mind...

adopt, advance directives, insurance etc.

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#92 : May 06, 2013, 04:11:54 PM

The question is why do such personal issues need to be brought to the media?

Why not? We are talking about the first active athlete of a major pro sport coming out of the closet. That's news. It isn't as important as what's going on in Syria, just like Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier wasn't as important as the Chinese Civil War was in 1947, but it was news just the same.
No he isn't - simply google it for lists of folks around the world and in the US who have announced this - heck this goes back at least to Martina Navratrilova if not further. 

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#93 : May 06, 2013, 04:26:00 PM

So he shouldn't have said preference.  No need to make a big deal out of that to avoid answering.  Why does anyone feel going to the media to explain their sexuality via a newscast?

Wasnt avoiding answering the question, I thought I did answer it. This was my orginal response:

The reason gay participation in sports is relevant should not even need an explanation, but the notion -- thrown out there by Archie . .. err Runole . . that this guy came out now to set up a discrimination lawsuit . .  well, absurd is not a strong enough word.  The guy came out now because it is timely given the discussion in other sports AND because ... .MOST IMPORTANTLY . . he is at the end of his career. That is the OBVIOUS point. Right now there are one or more gay players in the NBA at the beginning of their careers and they would NEVER come out because they have so much to lose and, indeed, would likely lose so much.  There are those in society (fans) who might not care whether a new NBA player is gay or not, but that is NOT likely the common sentiment with teammates and employers, because SOME teammates and employers,  like some of society, view homosexuality as a CHOICE, like one of several choices listed by Runole and some still (ignorantly) link homosexuality to sexual deviance because they think it is a CHOICE 

In re-reading, I see it wasnt that clear. You will see in my subsequent response, however, I indicated the reason was to break down barriers.  Collins went to the press for, essentially, the same reason Billy Jean King wanted to play Riggs or Jackie Robinson endured hardship to play baseball . . .  the same reason Magic Johnson spoke about Aids or the same reasons Arthur Ash spoke about Aids. Its about breaking down barriers and educating people AGAINST stereotype.  I presume most of those people probably preferred having a private life but Magic Johnson talked about his sexual PREFERENCES (ironic, huh?), in part, to educate people that Aids was not a gay disease, Arthur Ash the same.  Some active gay athletes will come out NOW to show people that gay people are not inferior and that gay peole exist in ALL walks of life and also to give other gay people courage or hope.

I should have been cleaer before, but I have to confess to thinking the reasoning was understood by most? In any event, as I posted above, today's "over reaction" is a reponse to yesterday's "under reaction," which I mean to say that if there was no discrimination YESTERDAY there would be no story in the news TODAY.  Just because some say "what people do in their own homes is up to them" does not mean there is no discrimination because gay people are denied access to many things because of their sexuality (and, in fact, are killed for it).

Hope that clears that up.

Anyone want to answer the question: Why would a human being CHOOSE to be gay?

The reason I keep askung that question is because the discrimination falls upon that fault line. The rationaliztion for treating gay people as second class citizens is that it is their CHOICE.  Who would choose to be gay? It's a simple question. 

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#94 : May 06, 2013, 04:30:41 PM

The question is why do such personal issues need to be brought to the media?

Why not? We are talking about the first active athlete of a major pro sport coming out of the closet. That's news. It isn't as important as what's going on in Syria, just like Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier wasn't as important as the Chinese Civil War was in 1947, but it was news just the same.
No he isn't - simply google it for lists of folks around the world and in the US who have announced this - heck this goes back at least to Martina Navratrilova if not further.

Name the active NBA player before Collins that came out as gay? How about the active NFL player? NHL? MLB? No country celebrates athletes in the media like the US and yet no active players in any of those sports?  Yeah . . .  there's no discrimination against gay people in the US

Discrimination exists often where there are sterotypes.  The sterotypical gay male is Richard Simmons.  You think Collins breaks the stereotype?

: May 06, 2013, 04:32:17 PM VinBucFan

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#95 : May 06, 2013, 04:44:32 PM

The question is why do such personal issues need to be brought to the media?

Why not? We are talking about the first active athlete of a major pro sport coming out of the closet. That's news. It isn't as important as what's going on in Syria, just like Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier wasn't as important as the Chinese Civil War was in 1947, but it was news just the same.
No he isn't - simply google it for lists of folks around the world and in the US who have announced this - heck this goes back at least to Martina Navratrilova if not further.

Okay fine. The first active male athlete of a major professional team sport. You know, the ones people actually care about? Lesbian athletes have come out of the closet, and gay athletes of less popular sports have come out of the closet, but none in the NFL, NBA, NHL, or MLB until now. No matter how much you'd like to sweep it under the rug so that the media can focus on abortions, it's still a newsworthy story.
: May 06, 2013, 04:46:16 PM CBWx2


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#96 : May 06, 2013, 04:53:58 PM

NFL had a guy come out years ago - don't recall his name.  Don't know of an NBA, NHL or MLB. There are lists of athletes who have come out - and pros from around the world, which was addressed in my initial response.  And that was the criteria in CBWs post, as opposed to NBA, NHL or MLB. 

Looked up the NFL player - his last name is Kopay.  He announced he was gay a couple years after his playing career.  Wouldn't meet your criteria. 

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#97 : May 06, 2013, 04:57:09 PM

The question is why do such personal issues need to be brought to the media?

Why not? We are talking about the first active athlete of a major pro sport coming out of the closet. That's news. It isn't as important as what's going on in Syria, just like Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier wasn't as important as the Chinese Civil War was in 1947, but it was news just the same.
No he isn't - simply google it for lists of folks around the world and in the US who have announced this - heck this goes back at least to Martina Navratrilova if not further.

Okay fine. The first active male athlete of a major professional team sport. You know, the ones people actually care about? Lesbian athletes have come out of the closet, and gay athletes of less popular sports have come out of the closet, but none in the NFL, NBA, NHL, or MLB until now. No matter how much you'd like to sweep it under the rug so that the media can focus on abortions, it's still a newsworthy story.

The silly abortion comment aside, It IS newsworthy because of the stature of the sports in a country that celebrates athletes. Not sure how that isnt obvious, but I thought DBuc's question was about the motivation of the athlete? Could be wrong

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#98 : May 06, 2013, 04:59:48 PM

NFL had a guy come out years ago - don't recall his name.  Don't know of an NBA, NHL or MLB. There are lists of athletes who have come out - and pros from around the world, which was addressed in my initial response.  And that was the criteria in CBWs post, as opposed to NBA, NHL or MLB. 

Looked up the NFL player - his last name is Kopay.  He announced he was gay a couple years after his playing career.  Wouldn't meet your criteria.

Yeah, sorry its a bit of two conversations at once so I may have confused things.   

I think your response here answers the question though of why an NBA player would come out and why there is talk of an NFL player. Contrary to the stereotype, gay people exist in every walk of life.

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#99 : May 06, 2013, 04:59:59 PM


Being a homosexual means having less rights than most,

What right does a straight man has that a homosexual does not?

The right to marry someone he is actually in love with comes to mind...

Care to show me where this right is identified?

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#100 : May 06, 2013, 05:02:55 PM


Being a homosexual means having less rights than most,

What right does a straight man has that a homosexual does not?

The right to marry someone he is actually in love with comes to mind...

Care to show me where this right is identified?

Spartan, if you notice, CBW fell into your trap where I avoided it.  We often criticize CBW of playing games, this is a bit of the sameby you, frankly, because you're jumping on the word RIGHT.  Gay people are denied many things in every day life because of their orientation, they are given disparate treatment under the law, that is a violation of their RIGHT to equal protection under the laws.

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#101 : May 06, 2013, 05:07:23 PM

The question is why do such personal issues need to be brought to the media?

Why not? We are talking about the first active athlete of a major pro sport coming out of the closet. That's news. It isn't as important as what's going on in Syria, just like Jackie Robinson breaking the MLB color barrier wasn't as important as the Chinese Civil War was in 1947, but it was news just the same.
No he isn't - simply google it for lists of folks around the world and in the US who have announced this - heck this goes back at least to Martina Navratrilova if not further.

Okay fine. The first active male athlete of a major professional team sport. You know, the ones people actually care about? Lesbian athletes have come out of the closet, and gay athletes of less popular sports have come out of the closet, but none in the NFL, NBA, NHL, or MLB until now. No matter how much you'd like to sweep it under the rug so that the media can focus on abortions, it's still a newsworthy story.
Just the tally of abortions is amazing - over 56 MILLION since Roe V Wade - and Planned Parenthood has done over 6 MILLION of those.  You'll never guess how many abortions do world wide... http://www.numberofabortions.com/


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#102 : May 06, 2013, 05:10:44 PM

Spartan, if you notice, CBW fell into your trap where I avoided it.  We often criticize CBW of playing games, this is a bit of the sameby you, frankly, because you're jumping on the word RIGHT.

You didn't avoid anything, Counselor.  You still haven't listed any rights.

And LMAO at your hypocritical arse talking about playing games.


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#103 : May 06, 2013, 05:10:48 PM

"but I thought DBuc's question was about the motivation of the athlete? " you are correct

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#104 : May 06, 2013, 05:12:33 PM


Being a homosexual means having less rights than most,

What right does a straight man has that a homosexual does not?

The right to marry someone he is actually in love with comes to mind...

Care to show me where this right is identified?

Try reading the 14th Amendment.

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